Hot Girls Wanted. Documentary on Teens in Porn.

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Hot Girls Wanted.

This 2015 Sundance Film Festival breakout documentary from producer Rashida Jones spotlights the “amateur” porn industry and the women it exploits

I watched this documentary yesterday, and wondered what others thought of it. ( it's grim viewing and not work friendly)

I found it alarming. The thought that 40% of online porn features abuse and that the number one search term for porn is "teen" worries me. One if the girls is choked on a penis and large plastic penis until her eyes are bloodshot and she vomits, she's then told to eat the vomit with her face pushed in it. How can anyone be aroused by that? It's frightening.

Their descriptions of their experiences are saddening. I'll copy my posts from the pub, but I just wondered what others who watched the documentary feel about it, and how teenage girls in porn are treat.

Interestingly mainstream gay male porn is a lot "nicer" in terms of people looking like they are enjoying it, the descriptions are not violent, there is a lot of kissing.

Obv there is plenty of other sorts of gay porn but just in a headline "this is the norm" if you look at the het stuff and then the gay stuff on a major site it is pretty marked.

I don't think a lot of men like the real degrading, spitting, choking stuff. I think that is the minority of porn users.

In terms of the more general porn. Which isn't as extreme but has elements some would find distasteful or abusive. I think it's the juxtaposition between real life and the pornography. The porn actress is in essence the attractive woman you saw walking down the street, the teacher who you like, the work colleague etc etc. It's her doing those degrading things and enjoying it and that's what some men like. The thought of the average girl on the street possibly being the girl you are watching.

Throughout history people had sick sexual fantasies. Abusive ones. The Internet allows those fantasies to be lived out and shared.

Just chatting to DH and what I think it is, is that a lot of men quite like to see women humiliated and degraded. There are a lot who feel entitled to sex, entitled to sex with "hot" women, and when they get turned down it pisses them off. The women in these films represent the hot women who they knew were out of their league / who rejected them being punished. That's what people say about the PUA types and I wonder if it plays into this.

DH says a lot of it comes out of the states and there are some funny ideas over there generally around sex / religion / kind of prudish and then strip clubs featured in the weekly cop show etc. Don't know about whether he has a point.

I understand we are talking mainstream stuff. Front page of a porn site is a risky place to get answers tho isn't it? If you judged sexual attraction by that, you'd come to the conclusion that men get off on humiliating teen mums where there was a race element. It's not all like that.

Interesting xpost with mengog there. Same thought process but different outcome - you think it's the fantasy that the "fantasy woman" is really well dirty and up for it, I think it might be the punishment for not wanting them thing. May be some of both. A lot of men (IRL) do get very angry when you say no to them though, don't they, and swear and shout and possibly try to push or hit you. So not a far stretch to think they might be taking a "punishment" view. And given how much women get that reaction, that accounts for quite a lot of men really.

Huh? What better place to see what people like to watch than the front page of a mainstream porn site

As TheBlackRider says, most views, top picks, and so forth will be illuminating.

These are successful businesses, they are not going to use their home screen to advertise niche stuff that hardly anyone wants to watch

Unless you think these sites have some kind of hidden agenda?

OP why does "teen" being one of the most searched words concern you? Out of interest.

I hadn't considered why it bothered me so your question has really made me think. This will probably be jumbled but I'm speaking as I go, I hope it makes sense. I think it's partly, watching the documentary, one shoot is a babysitter having sex with the Dad, the directer is implying lack of consent in the scenario, and how the actors should portray. It's a fantasy I would have thought existed in disturbed minds to be honest, and it scares me that it's a mainstream thing, that dad's fantasise about fucking their babysitters or own teenage dds friends, and that out of the millions of people searching for term "teen" many will be dad's of teenagers, I'm not saying that these Dad's will fantasise about their own dds, but that I find it worrying that they can get off on someone else's teenage dd being gangbanged, punished etc.
Also, the girls are often made up to look younger, to look underage, and men getting of to what they perceive/fantasise are underage girls worries me too.
The abuse of women in porn is gross and I don't get how anyone can find abusive acts arousing. I didn't realise just how grim, how high a demand there was for teenage girls and their mistreatment in porn. It shocked me.
I don't think I've explained myself well but I wanted to answer before I went out for the evening. Hopefully I can explain better once I'm back home.

Because it's the same with any website. To go on a website and rate something or leave a review or whatever you more than likely have a real interest. How many men go on for 5 mins ( I'm being generous ) and just watch a "normal" oral sex video or whatever and then leave?

Would you judge all women by MN? Obviously it gives you an insight but it's no where near the full picture.

No I understand Inickedaname. When you said teen, took it at face value and not to mean more taboo type stuff.

To be honest I also have a problem with "teen" things on porn sites, it just doesn't sit right but at the end of the day (hopefully for the majority) it's just fantasy and they no that the girls are over age. Perhaps that isn't justification.

The drug dealing thing is interesting and I do think there are parallels in that it's a life that probably appeals to you if you're young and broke. Dreams of big easy money, and a bit of glamour, or what looks like glamour.

I guess the big differences are that drug dealing doesn't revolve around fulfilling women's desires at the expense of your own, and in porn you're less likely to end up dead or in jail. Both their own traps though.

With BDSM etc, I'm quite pro-kink, and I don't know if I'm being naive but for me the kink community has always seemed very strong on ethics and consent, and everyone enjoying themselves - even in what can look like abusive or violent situations. And I wouldn't have a problem with this stuff being someone's thing - I mean, everybody's got a thing! When it's mainstream, it bothers me, and I'm not sure if that's precious of me. But something about those girls, you know, the 'forced blow job' thing - just doesn't sit right at all. It stops being about a niche and being what's expected. And for me that changes the dynamic of it.

Mengog I am having a hard time with 'they like it because they'd like to do this to women on the street'. I mean.... the whole thing that people say about porn is that it's a fantasy, that it's not about what you want to do in real life. That's how the abusiveness is usually excused. However, what I really think is the interesting question is why men want this. Why do you want to see a woman degraded? I know this is probably coming across as though I have an agenda, but I don't really mean it to. I am genuinely trying to understand how it all works. I agree that people have kinks, see above. But I do think this is more than that.

whirlpool I think your thing about what men think they are entitled to is probably very true. I don't think porn helps with it though - I think on a deep level it probably plays into it. And yeah probably true about the states, but then, I wonder if the comsumption habits are different worldwide, or similar. That would be interesting to know.

I would judge what the people who use MN are interested in by the content of the front page, sure. I think you're reaching here Mide. Of course any website puts on it's front page what it hopes (knows) people will find appealing, to draw them in.

Oh and teen - 'teen' bothers me about as much as anything else. It's about power. It's about being more powerful than the girl. I am very interested in how much porn is about that, and why.

Oh the "teen" thing is because lots of men want to fuck teenagers, obviously! Underage ones often. There is a reason that school uniform is popular, that girls in school uniform (irl) get such a lot of shit. And a reason that grooming and mass child abuse of girls in this age range is so common. Girls aged about 12-17 are much more innocent, biddable, coercable, and many men are attracted to this age range anyway.

I don't think we need to look too deep into this do we? Why is there so much porn featuring "teens"? because lots of men want to fuck post-pubescent girls. Why is there so much sexual humiliation / degradation / pain? Because lots of men like to see females being sexually humiliated and degraded and hurt.

And given the disparity between bogstandard het / gay porn I would surmise that a lot of this is about asserting male dominance.

There is more coercion for women involved BDSM than those not involved.

The BDSM community is good on ethics and consent is just window dressing.

I know sod all about the BDSM community so am not going to weigh in either way!

whirlpool I know what you're saying. But given how many men watch porn, and how popular the teen thing is, how pervasive the 'degradation' theme is, to greater or lesser degrees, are we not then staring down the barrel of saying 'hey, guess what, the sexual preference of most men in our society involves the degradation if not actual violent abuse of women!'

I'm honestly trying not to come to that conclusion.

Almond I honestly wouldn't know either - my experience is limited and I'm basing it entirely on that. So I'm open to thinking you might be right, and I'm at least certain that experiences vary.

I watched it with DH. It was very uncomfortable viewing. Even the names of the types of porn or different websites disturbed me - 'Facial abuse', 'Teen Manipulation' and there were others. Very abusive.