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Feminist Pub XVIII, in which the Bluestocking greets the first signs of spring with a glass of something soothing

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 16/03/2015 23:08

Just starting this one as the last is nearly full

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TheBlackRider · 01/04/2015 06:24

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ChopperGordino · 01/04/2015 06:51

Congratulations TBR!

UptoapointLordCopper · 01/04/2015 08:06

Congratulations BlackRider!

I'm more inclined towards BlackRider's definition of stupidity. I think that I sometimes also add unkindness into the definition, but not sure if that's quite the "right" thing to do.

FibonacciSeries · 01/04/2015 08:45

I'm feeling rather stupid at the moment, despite historical evidence to the contrary I just seem unable to absorb new information. Stress about feeling unemployable is not helping Sad.

But I found a really good video today that helped me feel a bit better after a recruiter boldly told me that their company wouldn't hire me at the level I want because they want people to prove themselves (I'm so tired of proving myself over and over and over):

leanin.org/education/what-works-for-women-at-work-part-1-prove-it-again/

drspouse · 01/04/2015 11:25

Wow, lots of philosophy in the middle of the night (OK, middle of the night for me).

I think that what distinguishes people who are really annoying and appear to be "hard of thinking" from those who appear to be well read/have lots of knowledge is not so much what you know already (knowledge) or your intellectual quickness (for want of a more neutral phrase) but your willingness to try and learn. The negative quality that others are describing seems more like laziness than stupidity to me.

So I meet people especially through volunteering who have very few formal qualifications, and who find typically "intellectual" tasks such as computer tricks, form filling, and writing long pieces of coordinated prose very difficult but who are willing to learn new things and ideas. However others with the same background are incredibly resistant to change (e.g. things like trying, if not necessarily succeeding 100%, in using new different permission forms for Guiding outings, or in teaching the concepts behind the new Guide promise, as opposed to closing one's mind and refusing to even contemplate change).

And I meet professionals through work who have qualifications coming out of their ears and a vast body of subject-related and world knowledge but who have closed their minds to the possibility of change and won't think about a new way to do an admin task or (though this is rare now thankfully!) need someone to print out their emails. DH comes across more managers directly like this than I do as his job seems to have more room for dinosaurs.

EBearhug · 01/04/2015 12:31

their company wouldn't hire me at the level I want becausethey want people to prove themselves

Yeah, women hired for their achievements and men for their potential. It's crap.

drspouse · 01/04/2015 14:17

I enter the break room, lunch in hand.

Not surprisingly as my workplace is cr*p at bothering to tell anyone anything about anyone's movements, a couple of people have only just realised I"m back at work.

Slightly junior male colleague: Oh, welcome back. Are you back for good?

Me: (paranoid that some job hunting efforts that I've decided to shelve, having decided I'm happier where I am, have been publicised) Yes, I'm not going anywhere that I know of, unless you know otherwise?

SJMC: No, I mean are you adopting again?

Me: (rather taken aback) Not as far as I know!

This is my second day back at work. In what world is it acceptable to ask that? Would he have asked a male colleague that? Or one who had taken maternity leave??!!

I'm already feeling paranoid about my position (it's safe but easy to get sidelined) owing to having been off work more than in work over the last 3 and a bit years. I think that SJMC was just being clunky and awkward. I hope so anyway!

UptoapointLordCopper · 01/04/2015 15:00

When I went back to work after my second maternity leave fucking HR didn't know I was back and didn't pay me for a couple of months. Hmm

UptoapointLordCopper · 01/04/2015 15:01

But Shock at SJMC. How is that an acceptable question to ask? I tend to respond with "what exactly do you mean by that" quite a lot these days.

kickassangel · 01/04/2015 15:18

I think he's probably a perfect example of what some of us mean by 'stupid' or 'unthinking'. He knows one thing about you, and doesn't then try to learn more, or think about how you're feeling. Instead of something that shows thought and intelligence, like 'how does it feel getting back to work?' he clumsily witters on about the one thing he knows about.

Generally, I am really crap about remembering facts. I have found this has got much worse since Vit D deficiency and underactive thyroid problems kicked in. BUT I can still discuss the most out-there of theories and think my way through a difficult problem. I miss the ability to just recall almost anything I want to, but I wouldn't think of myself as 'stupid'.

'Stupid' to me means someone who doesn't even attempt to take a broader view, who never tries to see someone else' perspective, or who just accepts stereotypes and simple, lazy explanations rather than actively engaging with an issue and thinking about it. So, someone who confuses causality and coincidence (e.g. immigration and poverty levels - we're all poor because of the immigrants type thinking) and then dismisses any attempts to explain the difference (bad employers encourage immigrants so that they can keep workers poor).

drspouse · 01/04/2015 15:22

checks payslip online

notes very small but non-zero amount detailed "salary" rather than "statutory pay". Heaves sigh of relief.

notes nothing detailed as "childcare vouchers"

congratulates self once again on working out it was better to be paid for just a few days this month and have work pick up the childcare voucher bill, rather than take my accrued annual leave and pick it up myself

waits for the "Those people on maternity/adoption leave are just taking the pee" brigade to descend

OublietteBravo · 01/04/2015 18:57

DH is back fro his course, and has gone straight to bed feeling ill. We were supposed to be going out for dinner. Would it be unreasonable to leave him in bed, and go out for dinner anyway (on my own)?

drspouse · 01/04/2015 19:07

Not at all, it would be a good opportunity to read a nice book.

UptoapointLordCopper · 01/04/2015 22:22

Did you go out oubliette? I love eating out on my own.

xena26 · 02/04/2015 00:37

This cartoon pretty much sums up the men where I work

Feminist Pub XVIII, in which the Bluestocking greets the first signs of spring with a glass of something soothing
OublietteBravo · 02/04/2015 07:13

Yes I did Smile - my steak was really nice, and the rice pudding with honeycomb wasn't bad either.

DH snuffled and coughed all night, but insists he is going to work today no doubt to ensure everyone else gets sick Hmm

SunshineBossaNova · 02/04/2015 17:06

Hello all Grin Congratulations BlackRider Star

Can I have a(nother) moan about university? There is an 'occupation' going on at the moment. The occupiers didn't have any demands until after they had occupied the building. [And don't get me started on that said 'whorephobic' people aren't welcome...]

They decided to occupy a corridor in the main building, right by disabled and student services. A lot of disabled students couldn't access their appointments, neither could other students access services. No apology forthcoming: there has been a 'fauxpology' on FB. 'We know better than yow, be grateful for our condescension because it will help students in the future'.

On to my personal whinge. I made an appointment to see my dissertation supervisor yesterday and was going to crack on with it this weekend. However, uni management closed the university early for Easter, which means she's had to cancel and I have to wait another week for my feedback.

YonicScrewdriver · 02/04/2015 17:11
SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 02/04/2015 17:36
ChopperGordino · 02/04/2015 17:39

That's not very sisterly of you is it Sera?

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias · 02/04/2015 17:45

Mmmmmmorrry 'Oppa. 'En ut ums er ocolate, ut's uvery sister or ershelf!

kickassangel · 02/04/2015 17:55

I once had my weekend bag, complete with outfit for a christening, locked into an office in a university just because someone decided to close it early!

I have RL chocolate stored away for Sunday, no need to raid the pub supplies.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 02/04/2015 18:57

Just found out that there is going to be a feminist book club at my local waterstones from next month. Knowing that the local Uni's FemSoc has male members, do I risk it?

I will risk it, but, if they start whiffling on about random shit, I'll leave.

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PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 02/04/2015 21:25

Oh fuck. I have taught the three year old to swear. After a very trying day on 4 hours sleep last week I greeted the latest disaster with 'oh for fuck's sake'. She is now using it, properly and in context, when frustrated. I said it wasn't a nice word the first time but what do I do now?!

Bugger.

StormyBrid · 02/04/2015 22:09

If you find out a way to stop the swearing, Penguins, please do share. My just turned two year old has been known to come out with the same.