Feminist Pub 17: The Bluestocking frolics in the fells and fens of feminism

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This is the 17th incarnation of the Feminist Pub!

Here be goats, cannons and chat on feminism and related themes. Also snacks. And booze, copious booze.

Welcome!

Was the suffragettes programme good? I plan to watch it in the morning.

I missed it cosmic, I'm hoping it's on Iplayer so I can watch it tomorrow.

It is on iPlayer and it's worth watching - www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0544j0j/suffragettes-forever-the-story-of-women-and-power-episode-1

Catching up on episode 5 of wolf hall. Avoiding MN till I've seen episode 6!

Final Wolf Hall superb. Actress who plays Anne - Claire Foy - and in fact all of them wonderful. Final shot ...

FFS - just checked my email (all-day meeting yesterday, so a bit behind). Useless secretary is supposed to be finding a date for my next big meeting with all my key stakeholders. She's asked the most senior stakeholder if he can move his holiday (unsurprisingly the answer was no). So new date found, and she's asked one of the other stakeholders to move a meeting that doesn't actually clash with the timing of my meeting. Looks like I have some bridge-building and apologising to do before I can get on with my day
Really, how difficult is it to organise a meeting with 3 sub-sets if people: whole meeting, 1st hour, final 2.5 hours?

I'm going to try to hide out in here for a bit.

oub - ouch! I hate it when other people make mistakes and you have to grovel for them.

Lalala not listening about wolf hall have booted up the fall of Anne Boleyn to read after episode 6

My feminist rage for today. I have a black eye. Well, a purple eye. It actually looks like artfully applied purple eyeshadow!

Said black eye was acquired in karate class when I blocked a punch with my face rather than using my arm or getting out of the way. A poor choice of technique, on reflection!

As such, I'm quite proud of my shiner and would happily walk about showing it off.

But instead I feel compelled to hide it (by artfully applying actual purple eyeshadow to the other eye) because while NAPALT, there would certainly be a significant number of people whose first assumption on seeing it would not be that I am a martial artist, or even than I genuinely did walk into a door. And I certainly don't want anyone having thoughts like that, however wrong or however fleeting, about my lovely DH.

Bah, fuck the patriarchy and a society where DV is such a prolific problem that it is assumed (probably correctly) to be cause when any women shows visible bruising.

I've not seen Wolf Hall either. I keep avoiding 'spoilers' then reminding myself I am actually someone who researches this shit so I probably do know the ending just as well as anyone.

annie - ouch!

That is annoying for you, but interesting, isn't it? In terms of how you see your body. I fell down the stairs the other week, and had a rather less obvious, but still fairly dramatic large black bruise over my arm, and I felt the same: must cover up. And I did notice people made quite a lot of DV 'jokes' - bizarrely, in a sort of 'ho ho, there is no man in your house, is your housemate beating you up' way. Most odd.

I am actually quite disturbed (in an interested way) but what you're pointing out.

at Wolf Hall spoilers.

Annie- that says a lot about how violence against women doesn't it. Perhaps choose a different blocking option next time eh? Very impressed you have sorted a class so quickly after moving.

They are spoilers! For example - how "naive" does the programme paint Jane Seymour is interpretation ...

Just marking my place again. I keep falling off and I like lurking.

I was very careful not to include spoilers, but I think we all know it doesn't end well for Anne

Ah Knickerful, yes, that kind of spoiler. I more meant the 'who dies, who lives, are there babies' type spoilers.

Oh, sure, I know there are spoilers like that. But I am actively trying to repress my knowledge of what happens to Anne, and to Cromwell.

Even I know what happens to Anne, and as previously mentioned my historical knowledge is woeful (to the extent that I was out of uni before I twigged the link between Henry VII and Elizabeth I . I blame the National Curriculm. I spent the entire time learning about the Troubles, or the history of medicine or similar areas that make no sense without a more general understanding)

Henry VIII. Why autocorrect, why?

Henry VIII + wives is perhaps a good way of introducing the idea - to children or anyone really - of 'woman as vessel/non-person' ...

annie I know exactly what you mean, in my younger days I had a bad fall after a few wines and injured my eye, it was swollen shut for a few days and bruised for a good while and I hated going out because I could feel people looking at me with pity. Those who asked what I'd done didn't believe me when I said I'd fallen. On the other hand my dsis told people her exp had pushed her when explaining a bruise on her arm and people laughed thinking she was joking.

Been watching the latest Jimmy Saville stuff on news and still can't get my head around and feel angry at how he was able to get away with so much.

I've just downloaded the suffragette programme to watch this afternoon and I'm waiting for a phone all about a job. Phone all yesterday was really positive and the manager has said that I'd be able to work within school hours and take unpaid leave during or reduce hours during school holidays if I can't find suitable childcare. They also said they would support me finishing my foundation degree and like that I've been out of the workplace for a while as it means I'm starting with a blank slate. It sounds way to good to be true so I'm not getting my hopes up too much but just the initial phone call yesterday has boosted my confidence massively.

Shhhh, penguins!

Fingers crossed, INicked. That sounds great.

Wow, INickedAName, that sound amazing!! I'm busy Mumsnetting writing an application for an amazing job this morning so please beam me some of those too-good-to-be-true lucky vibes this way!

I got stung by a bee in my temple once and I had a huge black eye as a result. It was our honeymoon! I had to keep artfully arranging my hair over it as we checked in at hotels.

A bee gave you a black eye? Sorry, I'm giggling at that, though I bet it hurt like crazy!