Sun Drops Page 3

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Very quietly, it would appear.

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Gosh, he really doesn't get it, does he?

'I didn't mean to offend, I only meant to gloat'...

How else is gloating about the 'return' of Page 3 by their PR rep going to be taken?

What a silly little boy.

He is the Dapper Laughs of the PR world, isn't he?

" I vote with my feet."

Yes, and you can do that.....until some twat either waves it in your face, or some twat tweets it to you dylan sharpe

Very funny sketch about 'boobs' on R4 right now.

Have you seen this? Page 3 girl Laura VS Green's Caroline Lucas on This Week: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0507j4h/this-week-22012015 5:43 onwards.

The point Laura made about how violence towards women is far higher in sexually repressed societies was a very good one.

She's also right about what she says about men and women being wired up differently with respect to visual imagery. Supporters of NMP3 are trying to make out this dynamic to be a bad thing, equating men being visually attracted to nude imagery as equalling this to being disrespectful to women when it really isn't.

The whole "sex object" thing is a red herring anyway. We're all sex objects. That's the driving force behind our entire existence. As if being desired sexually is a bad thing. Are the men on Heat's torso if the week not sex objects? Or Cosmo's nude centrefold? I guess we should be banning that kind of thing too.

The whole thing is hilariously lacking self-awareness. This fear of the human form and idea that The Sun is a family newspaper and the rest of it is suitable for children.

I am a feminist but I do to support this daft campaign.

*don't

Welcome to Mumsnet Magnetic.

The Sun markets itself as a family newspaper - it's part of its byline. It also advertises Lego, Frozen, Kids Pull-Out sections on the front page of the paper, to catch children's eyes (although it bombed out when Disney complained about the juxtaposition of a Frozen giveaway next to the word 'Paedo'

The Guides association supports the NMP3 campaign, and girls can now get 'activist' badges - they have also contributed to the many stories on the NMP3 site of underage girls feeling uncomfortable, upset and sexually harassed by P3 readers.

I preferred the stance that was taken on last nights The Last Leg - if a newspaper was started today, would it include a page of sexually provocative tits? No. Because it's 2015 and the world has changed far beyond that of the 1970s. It's time to put this tired old has-bean to bed.

Magnetic

Men are visual, fine. Whatever turns you, or them, on.

Surely you can see that if the aim of tits in a newspaper is to arouse the readers, then they are in the wrong place? Tits are freely available on the internet, in playboy etc. They aren't news, though.

It may come as a shock to you Magnetic, but men and women are not 'wired up differently' (is that the scientific term?!) with respect to visual imagery. Women respond to visual imagery as well. Honestly, are there seriously people out there who don't think women do...?

This still doesn't explain why we need tits in the news.

... women don't

NoMorePage3 has nothing to do with 'sexual repression' magnetic, haven't you got that yet?

Feminists were highly influential in the sexual revolution and women's sexual liberation ffs. Does that mean boobs should be in a daily newspaper, as the cynical marketing tool of suited, rich, white men? No.

Of course, and that's because we're 'wired differently'.

As soon as someone throws 'wired differently' into the debate, I roll my eyes, dismiss them and metaphorically throw them a copy of Cordelia Fine.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040316072953.htm

"The emotion control center of the brain, the amygdala, shows significantly higher levels of activation in males viewing sexual visual stimuli than females viewing the same images, according to a Center for Behavioral Neuroscience study led by Emory University psychologists Stephan Hamann and Kim Wallen. The finding, which appears in the April edition of "Nature Neuroscience," demonstrates how men and women process visual sexual stimuli differently, and it may explain gender variations in reproductive behavior"

I agree it's strange as part of the news, but that's why I don't buy it. It doesn't give me the right to tell other people what they can and can't look at. How many of the people who signs the petition are Sun readers In wonder...? It's the most popular paper in the UK so obviously loads of newspaper readers don't have a problem with it.

web.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/wordpress/2010/06/neuroplasticity/

I am going off a deep end here, but... "women and men are hard wired differently" - chicken and egg. We may find eventually that it's more chicken than egg.

ooh look, we're back to nature v nurture!

The emotion control center of the brain, the amygdala, shows significantly higher levels of activation in males viewing sexual visual stimuli than females viewing the same images

So, putting aside the argument as to whether this is valid or not for a moment, WHY would men want to activate their amygdalas by viewing these sexually stimulating images in a newspaper, on the train, at work, in a cafe and so on? We know the Sun is frequently read in the presence of children - creepy huh?

WHY in a daily newspaper?

Glad someone on here is a proper academic and makes sure she knows what she's talking about. Ta for the parachute Buffy.

"higher levels of activation in males viewing sexual visual stimuli than females viewing the same images"

Can you see the problem here?

And we are not all objectified and we do not reproduce based on objectification. There are important differences between objectification and attraction. Perhaps you should consult a dictionary.

Yy Buffy.

Is black an intrinsically sexier colour than, I dunno, royal blue?

Or is the fact that sexy underwear comes in black more to do with, say, ease of consistent matching across dye batches?

"WHY would men want to activate their amygdalas by viewing these sexually stimulating images in a newspaper, on the train, at work, in a cafe and so on? "

Yup.