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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 20:41

A few months ago I posted, asking about feminism and making some generalisations, assumptions and the tired old 'we don't need feminism anymore ' got rolled out.

You all gave me a kick up the backside and told me to read about feminism. I did so, and it's revolutionised the way I think. I can't believe I insisted that we are treated fairly and equally. I'm reading Everyday Sexism at the moment and I've cried at bits, the inequality and pain that women have had to endure and the doors slammed in our faces on the basis of our sex.

Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 07/01/2015 22:39

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:39

I would imagine non-feminists intentionally avoid speaking to those who suggest their sons/brothers/husbands/male friends etc pigs or simpleton idiots who only think with their penis or rapists.

This is an utterly ridiculous thing to say. No feminist I know would say anything like this. Not a single one.

Your anti-women buddies have been spinning you a line, old chap. Stick around, you might learn a few things. Or don't. Up to you, but please stop posting such horrible anti-men stuff, none of us believe it, and it's looking more like you're actually a bit of a man-hater.

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 22:40

It's notable that everyone on the thread was willing to engage with zinafaw and he just didn't want to have a discussion of any type

BertieBotts · 07/01/2015 22:40

Meh. Bored now. Try engaging with the discussion a bit next time and you might get a fight out of me. 1/10

Moomin it's already a better world than the one we grew up in with awareness raising all the time Flowers (Happy to continue the discussion but will be ignoring trolly mctrollson :))

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 22:42

"Oh and this: A list of men's rights issues that feminism is already working on - really, there is no need for hostility against feminism, unless you enjoy sexism."

From that link:

"Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it"

I never saw any feminists complain over that Oven Pride "so easy even a man can do it" advert that shows a dopey/simple looking man needing a woman (who stands looking down at him with her arms folded) to show him how to clean an oven rack.

Imagine an advert like that with the genders reversed. How about an advert for a small car depicting a man showing a simple-looking woman how to drive and the slogan "so easy to drive even a woman can do it". Such an advert wouldn't see the light of day.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:43

trolly mctrollson Grin

And yes. Engaging with people who don't want to engage is a bit daft.

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 22:43

"Your anti-women buddies have been spinning you a line, old chap. Stick around"

If you're referring to that FB page, they are against feminism, not women.

LittleBlueHermit · 07/01/2015 22:44

Thanks zinifaw You've reminded me how important it is that women like me stand up and advertise themselves as feminists. Too many people buy into the man-hating rubbish.

FTR, I'm a happily married (to a man) SAHM, currently doing my Masters online. I have an equal, respectful relationship. I like dressing up in pretty, swishy dresses. I can speak for myself, but recognise that not all women have that privilege. None of that stops me from being a proud feminist.

mrstiggy · 07/01/2015 22:45

zina you know you are confusing feminism with plain ol' man-hating right? The two don't go together. I'm a feminist and I don't hate men. I love a few of them in fact, and like a great deal more. I just want to be considered their equal too.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:45

Welcome to the dark side, Hermit, we may have cookies Grin

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 22:46

"Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape"

yeah right. I call bullshit on this one.

"False accusations are wrong, it just isn't on and anyone convicted of doing so should be punished"- said no feminist ever.

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 22:48

Evidence, zinafaw?

gincamparidryvermouth · 07/01/2015 22:49

How about an advert for a small car depicting a man showing a simple-looking woman how to drive and the slogan "so easy to drive even a woman can do it".

Rapist simpleton penis pig?

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:50

Nope would never happen. Oh no, hang on......

sorry/thank you
gincamparidryvermouth · 07/01/2015 22:50

yeah right. I call bullshit on this one

Penis simpleton pig rapist?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 07/01/2015 22:51

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Notmymonkeys · 07/01/2015 22:58

Zinafaw seems a little simple, no?

Thank god my amazing (male) partner, two awesome sons, fantastic father, and all the other super-cool penis-owners in my life are a lot smarter.

Alsoflamingo · 07/01/2015 22:59

Is this Zina cretin for real? Presumably a not very funny joke. No one is quite that obtuse. Surely…..

Alsoflamingo · 07/01/2015 23:02

Anyway - ignoring the cretin - great to read your post Moomin. Well, great in that I'm delighted you've got stuck into the subject and are fired up, but obviously not delighted that society is (still) the way it is.

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 23:02

He's certainly not a particularly good advertisement for not being a feminist, you'd think they'd at least pretend to be a bit reasonable and know a bit about the subject

Devora · 07/01/2015 23:06

Well, why don't you ask us, zinafaw? Why don't you ask us what we think about (a) false accusations of rape, (b) domestic violence against men, (c) adverts that stereotype men as household bumblers or incompetent fathers, (d) whether we in fact believe that all men are rapists?

Or is it way, way more comfortable to keep on telling us what we think?

grimbletart · 07/01/2015 23:16

Puffins: did you notice it took you precisely 8 minutes to post the sort of advert that Zinafaw says doesn't exist Grin.

8 minutes for him to be caught out in a lie.

grimbletart · 07/01/2015 23:18

Poor old Zinafaw - it's as easy as shooting pigs in a barrel.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 23:22
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