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Feminist Pub 15: The Bluestocking hangs up its, err, stocking and hopes for a chatty Christmas and a Feminist New Year

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YonicSleighdriver · 10/12/2014 19:05

Festive greetings!

This is the 15th incarnation of the Pub and is meant as a place to drop by with random thoughts and meandering chats, on feminist or other related themes. Anything you want to mull over but not necessarily start a thread about. Alternatively, get some booze and snacks and hang out! Lurkers, newbies and oldbies welcome.

We have a pub goat, a feminist cannon for firing at crazy sexists and we cheer each other up when patriarchy grinds us down...

Last pub drinkie linkie:

Pub 14

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EBearhug · 12/12/2014 12:56

Sympathies on the job, Chunky - techy tests are the bit I tend to fail on, and every employer seems to have a totally different take on things.

Meanwhile, in a meeting this morning, there was a brief mention of all the extra work I do for our women's group and so on, and emphasising it does a lot to support professional development and is open to everyone. "But it's the women's group in the name, it's off-putting, if you're the only one," said someone.

"I'd have more sympathy if that weren't the experience some of us have every single day of our career," I replied (which was quite restrained, because I was actually thinking, "for fuck's sake get over yourselves, you white, middle-class men who have no idea how privileged you are and how much easier it is for you all," while gearing up for a lecture with various figures.

"Well, it's not the Company Working Men's Club," said manager.
"Might as well be sometimes," I said.
"I suppose it might sometimes seem that way, especially in techy areas," he said.

The sooner they roll out their unconscious bias training to the rest of management, the better. Meanwhile, I will consider if I will be seen as antagonistic if I circulate a link for the video game analogy. But honestly, sometimes they make me want to cry (because I'm just a weak girl who can't take the pace...), they have no clue. They probably think they're really good, because they've got a woman in the department, so they can't be part of the problem.

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/12/2014 13:33

Buffy That's what I wear on a warm day ...

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/12/2014 13:34

I recently pointed out that we may look like a Working Men's Club too. Sad

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/12/2014 13:34

"We" meaning work place, not here. Smile

BuffyWithChristmasEarings · 12/12/2014 13:53

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UptoapointLordCopper · 12/12/2014 14:14

A generic hat. Grin

MyEmpireOfDirt · 12/12/2014 14:45

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kickassangel · 12/12/2014 15:51

Trevor OMG - that battleship thing. It's not just that they're sitting there playing but the women are doing the dishes in the background - why couldn't they be knitting? So women really are meant to stay in the kitchen while the 'men' pretend to bomb things! Shock

I am now back at work after anti-biotics got me back on my feet again. I've taken an 'incomplete' for my college course though as I just can't deal with writing a paper right now. Until my thyroid gets sorted out, my thinking is slow and my immune system sluggish, so the MA is on hold for at least another week. But all this means that I am at work and I don't have any work to do! I'd cleared the last 2 weeks to get college work done, but can't get going on that without a trip to the library first.

What shall I do with a spare hour?

JeanneDeMontbaston · 12/12/2014 17:38

Hello!

Sorry, I think I missed the last couple of weeks in the pub, but I'm here and pulling up a chair at the bar! Will read through slowly to catch up.

puffins, your granddad's nudist bid for gender freedom has me grinning.

annie I'm really sorry to hear your news. How annoying. Angry

buffy - hope you feel better soon!

And at everyone else.

PoinsettiaGordino · 12/12/2014 18:38

hello jeanne, i thought of you earlier when i saw that there is a webchat with a specialist in dyslexia research shortly. I can't for the life of me find it now (have i hidden it somehow??!) and you may well be aware already!

JeanneDeMontbaston · 12/12/2014 18:39

I saw that! It looks good. I have posted on it and am really looking forward to it.

I love your Christmas name, btw!

YonicSleighdriver · 12/12/2014 19:03

Thinsulate hats are only £3 in Tiger Buffy, and very stylish Xmas Wink

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mimithemindfull · 12/12/2014 20:15

Jean can you please tell me where to find the dyslexia webchat. I used the search but it didn't come up Thanks

mimithemindfull · 12/12/2014 20:29

Thanks jeanne

YonicSleighdriver · 12/12/2014 20:31

Just how hard of thinking to you have to be to come on a site called Mumsnet looking to fuck virgins?

Even if it is Christmas... Xmas Grin

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 12/12/2014 20:40

?! Sorry, what, yonic? I don't want to know, do I?

mimi - any time.

YonicSleighdriver · 12/12/2014 20:48

It's alright Jeanne, threads about to be deleted so I didn't want to waste my Virgin birth joke on it..,

Xmas Grin
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PuffinsAreFictitious · 12/12/2014 22:02

Hi Jeanne lovely to see you back. How's the job going?

UptoapointLordCopper · 12/12/2014 22:18

Hello!

How are you Jeanne? I rather miss your old name ...

Has everyone seen the MN christmas card? I rather like it.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 12/12/2014 22:23

Hello!

The job is great fun, puffins, thanks for asking. Really, really enjoying it and some of the students are so feministy - they're amazing.

upto - yeah, me too (missing the old name). I still wheel it out on occasion, but I think this is 'me' now,

I love the MN card. Grin I did enjoy the whole ostentatious breastfeeding - did you all see those images of medieval/Renaissance madonnas who are literally squirting breast mil (=grace) at the baby Jesus? They amuse me no end.

How are things with you?

YonicSleighdriver · 12/12/2014 23:51

Just been reading the sanpro thread.

Why is it more embarrassing to ask the school office for sanpro than, say, to tell the school office that the loo roll has run out?

Women bleed. Why is this fact embarrassing? I'm not denying that many women think it is, but why?

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EBearhug · 13/12/2014 00:28

I dunno. I've been throwing Tampax round the office the last couple of days (not on purpose, to be fair - one fell out of the stupid pocket of patriarchy as I left my desk to go to the loos, the others sort of flew out of the drawer as I was trying to reach just one.) If this has embarrassed or upset any of my male colleagues, well, that's just tough shit. They should be even more impressed with my work, given that I've been dealing with flooding and impressively large blood clots as well as actually doing my work. Though to be fair, they don't know all those details. You can buy tampons and towels in the little shop in the office. They're openly on the shelf behind the counter, next to box of chocolates, so it can't be too embarrassing. (Haven't read the sanpro thread.)

YonicSleighdriver · 13/12/2014 01:46

Ebear, this was about teenagers asking for sanpro in schools and "oh, they must be so embarrassed" - well, yes, they probably are, but it's insane. If you needed a plaster or a bandage or loo roll or tissue to catch a bodily fluid, no embarrassment required.

Patriarchy is weird.

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TeWiSavesTheDay · 13/12/2014 06:03

I freaked out about periods, to me I was terrified of being an adult woman, pregnancy etc. Maybe it was recognising the issues but I did not handle it well and was mortified about the whole thing.
I've said it before but I'm so glad I wasn't really aware of trans treatment being an option because I was so freaked out about being female I would definitely have been interested (and I am a very happy adult woman now that's had babies and isn't the slightest bit trans!)

Newsroom: I was already quite annoyed because I don't like the whole old/New media thing they are doing and Jim was just am absolute arsehole. I can't understand why Maggie has forgiven him.

But I could have lived with the rape website plot if it was a conversation where journalist said, I really don't think this is a good idea because the general public are dicks, but when the woman insisted booked her to the show. Instead he took that decision away from her. Can't be more patriarchal than that!

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