Feminist Pub 14: The Bluestocking, a place for feminist chat and feminists to chat

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Welcome!

This is the 14th incarnation of the Pub and is meant as a place to drop by with random thoughts and meandering chats, on feminist or other related themes. Anything you want to mull over but not necessarily start a thread about. Alternatively, flop onto the chaise lounges with some

We have a pub goat, a feminist cannon for firing at crazy sexists and a variety of drinks and snacks. And stools/bar counters at female friendly heights. And a crèche in the back somewhere

Will link the last pub in the next post!

MEOD

I think a lot of women have absorbed all the messages that if you do (or don't do) X, you won't ever be raped. Which is bullshit. You may as well wear a rabbit's foot and cross your fingers.

I'd rather talk to people who are able to question their preconceptions...

Yep, I have dealt with a life-time of nutty parents, both of whom have personality disorders, and are completely unable to question themselves in that manner. I gave up that battle with them as a bad job a few years ago. I am so, so, so much happier for it . Growing up, they 'trained' me to think that it was my job to ensure they were on the right path, and I have only realised many, many decades that that its not my purpose in life.

I'm sorry MEOD and balls . That thread is absolutely horrifying.

I guess it's what people do in the face of bad things that are not within our control -
"if I did X Y or Z I'll be fine". Except it becomes "bad things happen because you didn't do X Y or Z and it's all your own fault."

I can't bear to venture into that thread. Sorry you had to read that bullshit MEOD

I had a lovely decorator around for a few days recently - he was friendly, kind, apologetic when he was a bit late, clearly devoted to his family (he'd had to cancel one day as he needed to bring his FIL to hospital), listened to what I said. I was so so nice to have a positive interaction with a man that was businesslike and respectful. And he did a great job.

Flora I heard that and was equally irritated

Hello all! I haven't caught up from the last pub yet but I'd just like to put in an order for a LARGE gin and tonic and a place in the creche please.

My little baby feminist was born on Saturday

She is amazing. And makes me want to ensure that the world is a good place for her to grow up in. tries to avoid hormonal happy weeping into gin

Welcome to the world baby Karma

Congratulations, Karma! Here's to a lovely time with a snuggly newborn feminist.

congratulations karma, what lovely news!

Lovely news. Welcome to the world Baby Karma.

Thank you!

Congratulations Karma!

Don't think the T in G&T stands for tears though ...

Karma -

In a rather less cheerful change of topic: has anyone got any tales of relationships that have survived a feminist awakening? Or are they always doomed?

Congratulations Karma

Just been catching up - work is really busy at the moment, so it is seeping into my evenings in place if MN. Sounds like it may have been a blessing in disguise.

Someone mentioned positive discrimination (or rather people bleating on about it).

One of my personal bugbears is the lack of support for positive discrimination amongst professional women. There seems to be concern that it might lead to people being in roles they can't cope with 'cos that never normally happens or that it might make their achievement of getting there seem less special or something. And because men always get promoted on merit alone, and never for any other reason.

Congratulations karma. I have a girl incubating. I plan to consider her a feminist from day 1. Am glad I am not alone.

I think relationships with a feminist awakening on only one side can be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. Not dissimilar in imagine to a couple
Where one partner suddenly becomes very religious

Dh has become juicing obsessed. Even that I am find I hard!

I am more open to the idea of positive discrimination and on quota these days. It seems that until there is a certain percentage of women in a profession it will always seem that women don't belong (and if I recall correctly, the percentage is in fact quite low - you don't need that many to make a difference. Can't find the reference.). Hence perhaps we should just get on with it and get the numbers in (and I'm sure there are plenty of women who qualify, whatever field it is) and be done with it. But try arguing that! As it is, women already have to work harder, and when they got there they probably got there by sleeping with somebody.

"In all things of any difficulty and importance, those who can do them well are fewer than the need, even with the most unrestricted latitude of choice: and any limitation of the field of selection deprives society of some chances of being served by the competent, without ever saving it from the incompetent."

Bling I thought it's bad to drink juice? All that sugar and not feeling like you've eaten. Or something like that. Unless he's juicing vegetable. Can you juice vegetable? Is "juice" a verb?