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AmnestyInternational Prostitution

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JuliaScurr · 13/04/2014 11:57

Please tweet #Amnesty agm in support of Nordic Model
Pimps out in force

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 16/04/2014 17:02

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teyitemp · 16/04/2014 17:02

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teyitemp · 16/04/2014 17:03

I answered the Q way back at 16:45:14

Grennie · 16/04/2014 17:03

I have contacted MN about you. I agree my skin crawled too Buffy. You think we can't see what you are doing here teyitemp trying to groom vulnerable women? We see you, we know exactly what you are doing.

WhentheRed · 16/04/2014 17:05

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WhentheRed · 16/04/2014 17:07

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Grennie · 16/04/2014 17:08

Are you Douglas Fox?

Grennie · 16/04/2014 17:09

From your comments on here I am wondering if you are one of the people who has been harassing Rachel Moran.

teyitemp · 16/04/2014 17:12

No I'm not a "punter".

If (like many others) I don't believe RM I'm entitled to say so. That isn't "harrassment".

WhentheRed · 16/04/2014 17:14

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ezinma · 16/04/2014 17:18

migsymoo, I hope you find the strength to work through the issues. If you're stuck, you can get help on the NHS from one of their talking therapy counsellors (who offer simple, practical advice for turning things around) or from Depression Alliance (low self-esteem is often a cause and a consequence of depression).

You are worth it.

migsymoo · 16/04/2014 17:32

I am still here lol, I tend to lurk on the other posts because I don't feel I have much to add. But it's nice to be listened to on here. And responding to the poster who asked what I like to be called, I prefer sex worker, I know im a prostitute but it is such a seedy and derogatory word.

Grennie · 16/04/2014 17:49

I don't like the word prostitute either. It names women by what men do to them.

Dervel · 16/04/2014 18:06

Whatever someone does for a living is just one facet of a person.

Whatever makes people safe has got to be the guiding force behind any approach. I am not in the least bit qualified to even begin to define what that may be.

If it turns out decriminalizing providers, and that two people working together from the same property not being classed as criminals then I don't think our journey towards safety end there.

I can't think of a single good reason why any provider shouldn't take home 100% of their earnings. I think whatever moral delusions punters have about themselves, I cannot find a single justification for pimps existing.

If prostitution is inevitable, and I'm not saying it has to be at all, then pimping should be illegal, eradicated and treated with the same repugnance as drug dealers. The sooner people stuck in desperate traits can earn themselves to a place where they can easier choose to leave has to be an endgame here. People taking their "cut" inevitably pushes that day further away if not totally beyond reach.

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FloraFox · 16/04/2014 18:09

teyitemp normal men who are not involved in the prostitution industry do not come onto MN for the sole purpose of talking about prostitution. They don't read blogs supporting prostitution or know about affidavits sworn by obscure persons for the purpose of denying the experience of a survivor of prostitution. They don't know about obscure transwomen in another country telling lies for some unknown purpose. When they are asked about their involvement in prostitution, normal men don't dissemble with quibbles about the meaning of the word "pimp" or "punter". Only pimps and punters do this.

Grennie · 16/04/2014 18:28

Some pimps like Douglas Fox obscure by saying it is his male partner who owns escort agencies - nothing to do with him Guv. Or sometimes he claims that his escort agencies only introduce men to women, thus he is not a pimp.

migsymoo · 16/04/2014 18:32

I suppose it's up to the individual to choose what ever word they feel comfortable with. But all of us regardless of what we call ourselves sell sex. So is service provider a more universal word?

Grennie · 16/04/2014 18:34

I tend to say women in the sex industry.

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Grennie · 16/04/2014 18:48

Yes that is a good point red. I have seen women who work as cashiers in sex shops describe themselves as "sex workers". It is a very different experience to being in prostitution.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 16/04/2014 18:49

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lemonmuffin1 · 16/04/2014 20:12

buffy, are you dittany?

you're trying to creep back here under a different name aren't you lol?

DoctorTwo · 16/04/2014 20:17

I started reading this thread just after it started but hadn't formulated what I wanted to say. I'm disappointed that AI have decided that it's fine for me to buy a woman to fuck. I am of the opinion, right or wrong, that sex shouldn't be about money, but about mutual pleasure, and nothing will persuade me otherwise.

I used to know a young woman, years ago when I was a minicab driver who she used to request I drive her to work. She later told me she worked in a massage parlour giving hand and blow jobs to up to 20 men per day, and of all the drivers she knew I was the 'safest'. MN has taught me what she meant as back then I didn't. In the time I knew her I watched her shrink into herself from being a confident outgoing woman into one that wouldn't say boo to a goose. It was incredibly sad to see. I often think about her and wonder how she is.

I have never paid for sex. I have had sex with women after a night out that I paid for, but never assumed sex was on the menu until it was offered.