AmnestyInternational Prostitution

[JuliaScurr]

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Sexworkers can give consent to their clients touching them. Or are you saying sexworkers aren't capable of giving consent?

And sexworkers come in all genders (male, female and trans).

"Sexworkers can give consent to their clients touching them. Or are you saying sexworkers aren't capable of giving consent?"

And this umbrella term "consenting adults." What if they're not consenting, not in the true sense of the word? What if they just are desperate? Destitute? Then it's a transaction with a huge imbalance of power. One has money, power, and wants an orgasm he can just walk away from.

The other is desperate for the money, takes all the physical risk to her body/mental health. Because she is carrying out an intimate act that she doesn't want to do.

I really got a sense from a few prostitutes who have posted on here that they really didn't feel they had any choice in the matter, once the had crossed that line. They really felt they couldn't say no to their clients punters.

If it's just a service like any other then why is it illegal to do this work if you are under 18?

Amnesty International is just a joke now.

A nasty joke, at that.

Teyitemp are you a punter?

Yes there are a small number of men who are prostituted. But generally prostitution means women being prostitited, with men being the punters and pimps.

And if it is a service like any other why is there not a career structure? Why is there no careers advice on it and college courses and diplomas?
Where are the girls who say "I really want to be a prostitute when I grow up" i.e. they are actively and positively choosing it.
Why are there no ads in job centres?

After all, if it's a genuine service as the poster above alluded to there is absolutely no reason why it should not be treated like every other service.

Could it possibly be that almost no woman in her right mind would freely choose to be a prostitute and that this "choice" that is banded about so freely by the pro-prostitute lobby is not a real choice at all, but for the most part the last throw of the dice by women on their beam ends?

So prostitutes aren't "in their right minds"?

Is that you're one post to all the posts here? Are prostitutes in their right minds?

Well, we know know from survivor stories, that many are not. Many are drug addicted, desperate, abused, abuse survivors, rape survivors. Some are documented to have been so desperate, that in Suffolk they went out even when warned not to by police, because a serial killer was on the loose.

What say you to them, teyitemp?

*your

"Well, we know know from survivor stories"

Let me guess, Rachel Moran stories? rolls eyes

There's no point engaging with someone like teyitemp. He's clearly a punter and will never listen to anything that encroaches on his "right" to buy sex from women who don't want him. His vested interest is clear.

Ask the Suffolk prostitutes if it's just Rachel Moran.

His lack of thinking is clear. He thinks because a transwoman lied about being a prostitute somewhere sometime for some reason, he can ignore all survivor's stories.

I've read articles about "prostituted women" supposedly speaking out about Amnesty. Yet they all quote Rachel Moran. Noone else, only her.

If there were so many "prostituted women" against Amnesty's position then why is it only Moran we hear about?

I'd also take issue with the idea that the existence of "sex work" doesn't affect anyone except for the "sex workers" and their clients.

For one thing, I would rather not live in a world where (some) men think it's acceptable to approach or harrass women/girls for paid sex. I remember this happening to me more than once as a teenage waitress - while at work, so it was blatantly obvious I was not trying to sell myself - and being sickened by it. That was under the current laws, but don't try to tell me that wouldn't happen more if buying sex was effectively legitimised - I don't want that for my daughter or anyone else's.

I also think anything which implies men have a "right" to sex increases the risks both to sex workers and other women. What happens when some of these entitled men can't afford to pay for sex, don't want to pay as much as they're asked, or just can't be bothered to pay? Won't giving them a perceived "right" to have sex on women other people make some of them more inclined to take their "rights" even without the woman's consent?

Five Daughters The story of the Suffolk murders. This scene - but without the serial killer - is played out every night in every town in Britain every night. Women selling themselves - not through 'choice' - not because it's some sort of of career choice for them - but because it's their only option. Because they are addicted to drugs, beholden to some pimp/boyfriend. They are desperate. How about, we give them another option? One that doesn't involve them having to fuck some man they don't know for money.

Or survivors connect that have over 170 members who all talk about prostitution as exploitation.

The truth though, is that any woman who has been in the sex industry and speaks publically about the realities, gets attacked by the pimp lobby. I have seen it happening time and time again. I know many women who have been in the sex industry, only a tiny number talk publically about the realities.

If you wonder why, ask yourself where all the millions of women are who could be talking about being raped. We know there are millions of us. But very few talk about it publically for very good reasons.

The support organisation for women prostituted where I live, has only ex prostituted women as staff. They go into massage parlours, brothels and the streets. The staff told me that about 98% of the prostituted women are addicted to Class A drugs. Still a "choice?"

I really would urge mumsnetters not to listen to the few prolific posters here who are making the kind of comments the pimp lobby make all of the time. They don't want you to know the realities. They want to pretend prostitution is some kind of Belle Du Jour fantasy.

That is good news red.

He is here because he knows there will be lurkers who know nothing about this issue, and he hopes to persuade them

With very few exceptions, the women I know who have been in prostitution never want to speak of it. A lot of women have PTSD. It is one of the reasons you can't get a representative sample of the experience of prostitution. The last think many survivors want to do is talk about it.

Mia de Faoite's evidence at the NI Committee was moving and harrowing but apparently she doesn't count because she was "off her box on heroin" according to the charmer who seems to make a full time career out of harassing Rachel Moran.