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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

privilege and prostitution

282 replies

ezinma · 26/03/2014 15:15

Appearing in my social media today is one of those sharp and sassy thoughts for the day that I’m invited to approve by sharing. Where better to share it than here:

So, you are against prostitution. But you're an attractive person with a boyfriend. Who I assume you have sex with. That gives you privilege. Some people aren't so lucky. The only way they can get laid is by paying for it. Why do you think you have the right to experience one of life's fundamental experiences and others don't?

It’s from tumblr so we ought to make some allowances. Let’s, if we may, overlook the fact that I am a middle-aged frump with a civil partner; the debatable contention that sex, in and of itself, is one of life’s fundamental experiences; the erasure of women who aren’t “lucky” enough to have a boyfriend and whose right to A Fundamental Experience presumably requires them to seduce a partner using skills that cannot be withdrawn from a bank machine; and the regrettable (though now unavoidable) misuse of ‘privilege’ to refer to any old scenario where one group of people has a little bit more access to something than another group does. (Have I missed anything?)

What remains is the daring suggestion that a woman might be against prostitution because she is attractive. Since it's already well established that we fat old frumps are against prostitution — no glamorous john would waste his beer money on buying our flabby arses, and we are bitter about it! — then I’m left with only one conclusion: a woman’s attractiveness has no influence on her opinions about prostitution.

A lightbulb moment for me. Thanks, tumblr. Hmm

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scallopsrgreat · 26/03/2014 20:46

If men didn't feel entitled to have sex then why would they want to purchase it? Why not have sex with people who wanted to have sex with them? Because whatever spin you put on it, the only reason these women would have sex with them is if they were paid for it. Just like tradespeople wouldn't work for you unless you paid for them. And yes there is entitlement there on your part. You are expecting a service because you are paying for it. You have an entitlement that whatever needs fixing should be fixed (otherwise why find a tradesperson).

But these men paying for sex don't care whether the women want to be there, how vulnerable they maybe, the circumstances that got them to that point. They are interchangeable commodities. A bit like your tradesmen services. Except we are talking about women and their bodies and penetrating them.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 20:47

[weseeyou] Baleno.

scallopsrgreat · 26/03/2014 20:49

"There aren't enough hours in a day to drive around and meet 12 different men." Yeah coz all prostituted women have cars.

FastLoris · 26/03/2014 20:51

CaptChaos -

I thought that someone who goes to a prostitute pays for specific services, and is then "entitled" to those services and no more. Is that not how it works?

If not - if someone, for example, pays for straight sex with a condom but then decides they want anal without one and forces the prostitution into it even though they'd made clear they don't offer it, then that's rape, surely. And if that's occurring in prostitution settings then isn't that an issue of how the industry is regulated and protected, rather than the morality of the industry's existing at all?

It doesn't change the argument about someone who DOES pay for a specific service freely offered, accepts that service and doesn't expect anything else. That person is not showing "entitlement", any more than someone who pays for any other kind of service.

Baleno · 26/03/2014 20:51

A lot of prostitutes work alone in flats or in a brothel.

You've been very selective in your reading, baleno

Amusingly, I think the same of you.

scallopsrgreat · 26/03/2014 20:53

Well I suppose it depends on whether you consider women's bodies a 'service' FastLoris. That's where the entitlement is.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 20:53

Baleno, you are projecting your own use of prostituted women, right ?

They couldn't possibly get through 12 guys like you, right ?

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 20:54

Loris, have you ever looked at the P*unternet site ? It's an education.

FastLoris · 26/03/2014 20:55

I doubt that there are prostitutes who have sex with 10-12 clients a day. If there are, they must be a minority, because numbers don't add up.

I don't know about this. I did once see a documentary in which a woman described how she was sold into prostitution in Belgium, and basically lay on her back all day with punter after punter coming in for a quick go. She said she serviced between 100 - 120 men a day, for a few minutes each.

Urghh....

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 20:56

Well, in my opinion, neo, having sex with someone who doesn't want sex with you is rape. Punters think they can buy consent - by paying someone who doesn't want to have sex with them, to have sex with them. I don't agree that you can buy consent.

But the real question - which nobody ever answers, is why do punters want to have sex with someone that doesn't want to have sex with them?

But even if we don't go down that route - statistics show that about half of all prostitutes have been raped by punters. Is that acceptable?

Baleno · 26/03/2014 20:56

Baleno, you doubt her testimony then ?

From what you have reported: yes, I do. Should we believe anything people say?

FastLoris · 26/03/2014 20:56

Loris, have you ever looked at the Punternet site ? It's an education.*

No, and something tells me I probably don't want to...

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:00

If you don't want to look p-nternet, FastLoris, may I suggest This?

Do let us know what you think.

FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:01

You are not logical baleno. How do the "numbers" not stack up? If you were including time driven to the Ritz, ordering of champagn, quaffing of champagne, tottering upstairs, having a bubble bath, giving and receiving sensual massage then sex, I can see there would be a problem with the numbers. If you are in a flat where men arrive for blocks of time between half an hour and two hours, there's plenty of time.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:02

No, Loris, you really don't want to. Punters "rate" their experience for other punters. It's horrifying reading and I won't reproduce any of it on a parenting website. Suffice to say, it's like a price comparison website for cunts.

It's certainly rather different to comparing plumbers on CheckATrade.com

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:03

Baleno, so feminists talk shit and the women living the experience of prostitution talk shit too ?

Hmm. Who are the Holders of the Truth then ? Punters like you ?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:04

She did 15 minutes iirc. For £30 a time. And gang bangs.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:05

And men old enough to be her grandfather.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:06

"Parties" I believe. Men queuing up to have sex in front of each other. Repulsive...objectively and subjectively and whichever way you want to fucking spin it.

Baleno · 26/03/2014 21:06

I don't know about this. I did once see a documentary in which a woman described how she was sold into prostitution in Belgium, and basically lay on her back all day with punter after punter coming in for a quick go. She said she serviced between 100 - 120 men a day, for a few minutes each.

We have a troll.

If you are in a flat where men arrive for blocks of time between half an hour and two hours, there's plenty of time.

No, there isn't. Even half an hour each for 12 clients makes 6 hours. And that assumes that there was an uninterrupted stream of clients. Doubtful. Open your eyes.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:08

Baleno, I guess you talk to them a bit, yeah. Good for you, stretch it out a bit.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:12

FL is an established poster, balerno - not one I agree with in general - but an established poster, nonetheless.

FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:13

sabrina - it was actually £18 as she had to give 40% to the "friend" (that was for anal while pregnant).

Baleno NEWSFLASH: there are 24 hours in a day!

are you a punter?

scallopsrgreat · 26/03/2014 21:15

Don't prostituted women work more than 6 hours a day then? Don't they 'service' more than one client at once?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:16

Yes, we mustn't forget the 'finders' fees, Flora.

Of course baleno's a punter. What else?

[weseehim]