So many evil men...can't stand it

[SplitHeadGirl]

First of all, I know fully well that men will get upset at what I think and am about to say, so I would like to clarify that I am talking about EVIL men, not the good, wonderful dads and granddads and husbands and nice single blokes out there....the ones who I KNOW (my brain, not my gut, tells me so) are in a majority, but who seem to be few (is it their deafening silence?)

But any fool can see that the sheer amount of men, who are prepared to do unspeakable things to women and girls (and boys as well as other men, not to mention the vulnerable and the elderly...wow, the list goes on) is just overwhelming. I read today about Anene Booysen, and I was absolutely heartbroken, but yet not shocked. For men to be so diabolical to women is not shocking anymore, and that is men's greatest tragedy.

I have two little daughters, and a little son, and I fear for them at the hands of men. Not women...just men.

I feel like I am thinking out loud with this post, so no worries if no one feels they can respond. I just wish I didn't feel so helpless at the tsunami of male violence.

How do you know that, Sabrina. You may want to believe it, but how do you know? How can that be a fact?

That would be the person who actually committed the rape

Two people actually committed the rape - the woman and the man. We cannot ignore that fact.
Do you really think she didn't have much choice being that the 'driving force' was behind bars and she could have fled to somewhere safe with her child?
She had choices, I really can't see where there is any argument for duress.

Norude -We're arguing semantics here - I think you know what I mean.

Biggedy - I don't know - thats why I said 'I don't know anything about this case' and so started talking about cases like this - where women are complicit in male sex crimes against children- in more general terms. In the majority of cases, some sort of coercion of the woman is involved.

It's not semantics though, because you think that the man is more to blame because the woman is under his evil spell, despite the fact that the man was behind bars.
It seems that you are so intent on apportioning less blame to the woman that you can't accept that she too is every bit an equal rapist as he is. They are both evil, as evil as each other.

I've just looked up the case - the man was imprisoned because of domestic violence. What a surprise.

I don't agree that someone (quite possibly coerced) to hold a victim down is as culpable as the person who actually did the physical rape - even if they are treated the same in legal terms.

The prison is culpable in this case as well - and is being held as such - because the visit should have been supervised due to the domestic violence involved.

At least we can agree that the prison is also culpable in this case.

What about this case where the woman held down another woman to be raped - is she less evil / guilty than the men involved

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-31150/18-year-old-woman-convicted-rape.html

Apologies for the derailing that I am aware of, I am just very interested in how you decide that a woman is less responsible when she seems (in my opinion) to be equally involved.

I'm with you Kim, it's like observing a social experiment.

I hear you OP.
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I think derailing depends on how people perceive the function of a forum

'Apologies for the derailing that I am aware of'

It isn't derailing nrsrequired, not really. Conversations ebb and flow and diversify onto other subjects. People can say, lets get back to the subject, but it isn't derailing, if it's in a similar sphere of discussion.

Posters who deliberately start talking about candy floss (for example!) in the middle of a debate about circumcision are derailing IMO.

And the woman who held down a woman is as culpable as the rapist. No question.

I put a link up at 0930 this morning that gets to the root of the causes of male violence. Here it is again;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI1Xutc_Ws

There weren't many people who responded to it tbh, so perhaps people are happy for tangents/derailments.

It isn't derailing nrsrequired, not really. Conversations ebb and flow and diversify onto other subjects. People can say, lets get back to the subject, but it isn't derailing, if it's in a similar sphere of discussion.

Thanks for the reassurance.

And the woman who held down a woman is as culpable as the rapist. No question.

Yes, I think she is equally culpable too and I think her conviction of rape is correct and justified and that her sentence should be equal to the men that were involved.

Buffy - I think most people just want to deny the reality that most violence and rape is committed by men. Frustrating, but common

I am trying to discuss the root causes of male violence.

I think everyone agrees violence is bad. Whatever the stats say, from various sources, it is a greater number of males inflicting violence.
What do poster think the causes of male violence? What are the causes of women being not as violent?

How do you address these causes?

Patriarchy. Men are socialised to be more violent. You see it in small ways from the way boys get away with aggressive behaviour with the phrases, boys will be boys, to the violent and macho image of men on TV and films.

Socialisation, social mandates, alexithymia, covert depression, isolation, substance abuse - all the shit that society throws at boys.

I think that has a lot to do with it, grennie. Do you think that without the patriarchy women would get more violent and men less so, and on the whole violence would be balanced?

'Men are socialised to be more violent.'

Why do you think that is?