Join me, if you will, in envisaging the feminist pub

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Inspired by the obvious thread, I feel we need a fictional pub that's as the same sort of mecca for feminists. The antidote to the classic sexist bloke pub, where the floor is sticky and you can't get to the bar without pushing past three Important Regulars peering at your boobs and making blonde jokes, while the barman asks 'are you sure' when you order real ale and the beer for ladies comes in comedy funny-shaped pint glasses for our wee delicate hands.

In the feminist pub, I want to outlaw stupid jokes, obviously. But I also think the bar needs to be at a height that doesn't put my boobs on pint-level for every bloke there. And I would like it if there were etiquette that, when you've got your pint, you don't sit chatting to the barman and taking up space, you move away (I have never seen a woman sit on the edge of a bar, alone).

And I fancy copies of classics like 'Letters from a fainthearted feminist' standing about dog-earned on the bookcases, in place of old back issues of Spectator or random leather-bound books by dead white men.

Shall I apply for a pub lease then? And what else do we want in the feminist pub?

Seriously, you can't see the misandry, on this thread, but you think bars should be 5 inches lower?

Go through the tread, reverse everything, and then think again.

The toilets would be clean??? Because men are all scuzzy and don't wan't clean toilets?

Who do you think cleans the toilets and messes them up??????

I don't claim to be feminist....but weirdly I am married to the biggest feminist ever. (I put it down to driving too much for work and listening to womans hour ). DH thinks MN is a load of pants, but if he didn't I'd have him on here telling you exactly why this feminist pub thread is a load of twaddle. If he ever read it, I think he would be pretty offended.

It's called being in a pub which suits you...exactly!! Clean toilets are not a feminist issue.

I don't think anyone suggested only the women's toilets would be clean - or even whether toilets would be separated by gender?

I want a high bit of the bar because I'm taller than the average woman. I don't want all the bar to be high, because the average woman's shorter than me.

There would be ore female toilets than male ones.

(I know a university that runs a course on bathrooms as part of a degree in gender studies. There is a LOT that can be discovered about a society based on the state of the toilets.)

Or, better still, have the bar level but steps/slopes in the floor. Then we'll all seem the same height while at the bar.

The population is considerably taller now that 100 years ago, so if you go to an older pub, women will have no problem with bar height.

Oh, and I tend to wear heels if I'm in t'pub.....dwarfing the men, and ensuring my boobs are more than well catered for.

In pathetically juvenile fashion, kickass, I'm tickled by the thought of a degree course bog module!

Yep, unfortunately the college is about a 3 hour drive from where I live, but I had a brief chat with the professor about it. It sounds v interesting. How the history of plumbing reflects both the technology and the social structure of a society. So anything from the Roman baths to how many toilets they have at a football stadium.

And why it disadvantages women to have the same number of toilets for men and women, unless you enforce a rule that men have to sit down.

Anyway, yes the ideal pub would have decent toilets.

See - if it was misandry, there's be women taking the piss out of men in jokes and naked pictures of men on the wall. And 1 male urinal

So most pubs are feminist then? I seriously live in a parallel universe to the rest on MN.

So why not have wheelchair access at the bar?

The pubs I go to already are, Kim. This is entirely due to my choice of pubs! (And I possibly do frighten any anti-women wafflers at the bar.)

This pub sounds like heaven to me. But, if Lynette doesn't want to go to a woman-affirming cross between your favourite country pub and Soho House, that's fine. Nobody's forcing you, Lynette, there are loads of other pubs.

yegodsandlittlefishes I have never been into a bar which was wheel chair accessble.

There is a massive difference between wheelchair accessible male/female accessible.

Are you suggesting that most pubs are feminist already?

And are comfortable, safe places for women to go and sit down, feel at home and relax in?

Where they can watch suitable stuff on the TV? - Yes, if you like certain sports.

And sit undisturbed at a bar?

Yes, yes, yes, of course! I have been drinking in pubs and bars for 23 years. Going in alone and sitting at the bar has never been an issue for me. Sometimes there are drunken twats, but I give a very good death stare.

I give a very good death stare Well, we have something in common after all

You are presuming the death stares are needed for males chatting me up.

Oh, please....what planet are we on? The death stares are equally required for men as they are for women.

Is this an episode of Dr Who? Are you all in the UK in 2013???