OK. Please can we talk about women raping men?

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It's a key part of the MRA agenda. Some MRA even say that men are as often victims of rape by women as women are of rape by men.

I absolutely agree that sex should always be consensual,and if a man has been forced, by either physical or psychological means into sex, then he has been raped and deserved of course to be taken seriously, and for the perpetrator to be charged and ,nif found guilty, convicted. And I know that an erection is a physiological response, and does not necessarily mean that a man actually wants to have sex.

But the MRA are full of stories of men waking up after falling asleep drunk at parties to find women on top of them. And vqriations on th them of being forced to penetrate against their will. And, it might just be my misandry showing, but really? Does this happen a lot? Is it a really serious problem that needs to be addressed, and have equivilant resources given to it?

Yes, I'm a big hairy man troll. Or I have a different opinion, which on here is construed as trolling.

It's the latter, in case you're wondering.

No we. Just me.

There are only 7 billion people in the world - so a little under 3.5 billion women. That means we are all abusers? That seems a little strong.

Incidentally the reason that I was asking SF about MRA views on male on male rape is because I haven't seen it talked about much. They apparently focus on female on male. If they care about men then why ignore the extremely prevalent violence of men on men, including sexual violence. It doesn't make any sense. Ergo they don't actually care about men, they really only care about hating women.

'I see we've decided to have a go at Sigmund's fraudulence instead'

Well it's a lot easier to have a go at me than think about an uncomfortable topic.

Did you read the piece about gang rape in india on your website SF?

I don't think you can point people to a website which prints stuff like that, for education on other topics, and expect people to go along with it.

And that was the only one I read. God knows what else in on there.

Another really good reason for not reading a site you don't like the sound of is so as not to give the buggers the "clicks" to help fund their activities.

'They apparently focus on female on male. If they care about men then why ignore the extremely prevalent violence of men on men, including sexual violence. It doesn't make any sense. Ergo they don't actually care about men, they really only care about hating women.'

As feminists focus on male on female. One in 3 lesbians experiencing partner sexual assault is pretty prevalent too, wouldn't you say? Ergo they don't actually care about women, they really only care about hating men etc...

Maybe both feminists and MRAs need to broaden their horizons?

... MRA views on male on male rape ... They apparently focus on female on male. If they care about men then why ignore ... violence of men on men, including sexual violence ... they don't actually care about men, they really only care about hating women.

This does, annoyingly sadly, seem to be the case.

OK, I shouldn't have said 'billions'. I was aiming to convey 'a very large number', obv.

No SF. it's men doing the vast majority of raping, whether their victims are male or female.

I want to know about this research, Fraude.

I'm desperate to know about it. I need guidance, see?

www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

Where do you get your 1 in 3 from, sigmunde? Got a linky? Which is from a respectable source and includes figures for other groups as well?

I have to say that I think victims (I believe you) need to be encouraged to come forward across the board and the way to do that is via the means that feminists have been fighting for, for ages. Working to change the attitudes of the authorities and society will help all victims.

All of this is just a base denial that women, children and men suffer violence predominantly at the hands of men, isn't it. But that's just silly. The stats show it. Look at them. Look around the world. Denying the evidence from all over the place and from so many people and respected organisations is just silly.

I'm not going to share it with you, slob

And it is Shelob. As in massivefuckofffemalespider.

i don't know what is to be gained by desperately insisting that women commit crimes too. We know. Women are humans, and humans are sometimes awful. But a cursory glance at any corner of the world show that it's not at the same rate.
Are victims getting the support they need? that should be the MRA's priority, as it is for feminists.

slob?

Thanks for the link Garlic. I'm not personally surprised that women can behave badly / abusively / poorly - the idea of passive femininity is obviously complete nonsense.

It's a shame the stats are quite old and a bit vague etc - it's a shame SF won't share her data with us, but apparently it's fine to quite stats and not substantiate them on the basis that people are "slobs".

Bizarre.

'Got a linky?'

www.curvemag.com/Curve-Magazine/Web-Articles-2010/Lesbian-on-Lesbian-Rape/

It's a lesbian magazine. Describes lesbian rape experiences in detail so poss triggering.

There's a page of links here, if anybody wants to check them out. UK based site.