OK. Please can we talk about women raping men?

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It's a key part of the MRA agenda. Some MRA even say that men are as often victims of rape by women as women are of rape by men.

I absolutely agree that sex should always be consensual,and if a man has been forced, by either physical or psychological means into sex, then he has been raped and deserved of course to be taken seriously, and for the perpetrator to be charged and ,nif found guilty, convicted. And I know that an erection is a physiological response, and does not necessarily mean that a man actually wants to have sex.

But the MRA are full of stories of men waking up after falling asleep drunk at parties to find women on top of them. And vqriations on th them of being forced to penetrate against their will. And, it might just be my misandry showing, but really? Does this happen a lot? Is it a really serious problem that needs to be addressed, and have equivilant resources given to it?

No Sigmunde not true and you know it. You do know it, we all do.

Well, I'm really not sure why you walk into this stuff SF. It's a feminist/chat board (without having to be a feminist to post), so IF you are at odds with the ethos it's a good idea to not lead with fists first. Otherwise you will come across as the analogy of the wounded puppy who just wants attention, whether that's good or bad.

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Make myself walk into what Pan? Any outsider unfamiliar with this forum can clearly see that here is a group of women, attacking another woman because she isn't agreeing with them.

Please don't make me OI!

Well no SF, it's the weight of evidences and argument that sets yourself and other posters apart here.

The reason these crimes are not "at the same rate" of the number of women being rapped/attacked is because many men do not come forward.
DV for example, many many men suffer daily but the figures will tell you differently.

It is a real heartbreaking shame that even now in what is meant to be a some what more equal society that men still can not feel right and deserving to come forward and report women for these nasty horrible crimes.

You can read all the whys and wherefores behind our talk guidelines here but here's the nutshell version:
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Or as I like to put it PEACE AND LOVE
and dont make me yell
Thank you

"In 2011, there were 10,832 male prisoners in custody for sexual offences, a rise of 4 per cent since 2010. There were 103 female prisoners in custody for sexual offences, a fall of 15 per cent since 2010.

Although there has been a general upward trend in the number of female prisoners in custody for sexual offences, it remains very low and is a very small proportion of the overall female prison population (2 per cent). For both the remand and the immediate custodial sentenced populations of prisoners in custody for sexual offences, the vast majority have an offence type of other sexual offences." p.50 ONS Report pdf

It just doesn't get reported, I think. I would guess, wrt men, because they feel they would be ridiculed. Which is just wrong.

oh give over SF.

PanThePontificatingPrat

You should get that on a Tshirt namechange, Pan

Most women do not come forward either. everyone is humiliated and ashamed when they have been abused. That's part of the trauma. It's heartbreaking, but it's not on to suggest some people have more dignity to lose. That's what it sounds like anyway when that argument is used.

garlic... I couldn't agree with your post at the top of page 4 more.

I wish men's and women's rights movements would sort things out enough to campaign together on the big issues. But they won't

That bit jumped out at me.

As I have said on another recent thread on here I run a men's group with a focus on help and support. Sadly female on male sexual assault is not quite as rare as many would like to think. It is however a lot more rare than male on female sexual assault/rape or male on male for that matter. One of the biggest problems is for a man to actually admit to being assaulted in the first place due to the common view that a man is always up for it or is unmanly if a woman can assault him. It is one of the hardest thing for some of the guys I work with to say aloud.
I also feel it is unhelpful to say that it is less traumatic for a male victim than a female one as everyone is an individual and will feel differently about different things. For some it is not such a huge deal while for others it is soul destroying for them.