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Feeling a bit let down by 'the sisterhood'

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Hopingitwillallbefine · 01/07/2013 14:05

I am a new(ish) mum to a dd (11 months) and have just returned to work full time. This was not a decision I took lightly but made for a number of reasons, including the fact that we really need the money for a deposit for a new house and I love my job and have worked hard to get where I am, and would like to continue to progress in my career. My DH also works full time. We are fortunate enough to have reasonable working hours (him 9-5, me 8-4) which mean that between us we are at home with dd until about 8.15am in the morning and from 5pm in the evening. Between 8.30 and 5pm dd is at nursery. We chose her nursery because we loved it immediately and continue to be impressed and happy with the quality and standard of care it offers. Dd LOVES nursery, has made a great bond with her keyworker and seems to have such lovely, fun and full days.

Apologies for the boring details of our life - all pretty normal stuff. However the reason for my post and what has really upset me/pissed me off in the past few months has been the attitudes of other women towards the decisions we have made as a family about working hours and childcare arrangements. I have lost count of the occasions that I have been met with undisguised horror, disgust or pity when I've told female friends or colleagues I am back at work full time. Not all of them, but enough to make me feel like a dreadful mother. Responses like "is there nothing you can economise on so that you can drop a day or two?" Or "god you poor thing, that must be miserable". Even my manager has asked me if i want to consider going part time now I am a mum. Similarly, I have been treated to a variety of unhelpful and at times offensive remarks from friends and colleagues about our decision to use a nursery including suggestions that we are risking our dd developing attachment disorder or questions like "is there no way your family could help?" (No), "wouldn't you at least prefer a childminder?" (No), "have you thought about how damaging it could be if your dd's keyworker left?" Etc etc.

These comments are so frequent that I now have a pre-prepared mini speech when people ask about work or childcare to try and head off all the criticisms and 'helpful suggestions'. What annoys me is the implicit assumption that obviously I am only back at work FT out of absolute necessity and that if there were any alternatives at all I would of course be working part time or not at all as all good mothers should - and to admit that I have chosen to return full time partly because I still give a toss about my career and enjoy being at work is tantamount to declaring that I couldn't care less about my dd. Further, I wouldn't dream of questioning another woman's childcare choices and have been really upset and surprised by how many women seem to think that nursery is virtual child abuse and it is their responsibility to educate me on the reasons why. But finally, and the reason for my post in this section of MN is that all of this, without exception has come from other women. Not one man has made me feel bad about my choices or questioned them in any way. Similarly, my husband, who earns exactly the same as me, has never been made to feel bad about being at work FT. Nobody has ever suggested that he might want to go part time now we have a child.

So I just feel a bit let down by women at the moment. I know it is impossible to 'have it all' and I'm not pretending otherwise, but I would like to continue to pursue my career while providing as much care, love and attention to my dd as I can. I love her more than I knew possible and love spending time with her. I feel genuinely excited every day when I go to pick her up and we have a lovely two hours together every evening after work when I am totally and utterly focused on her. We have lovely weekends as a family and spending time together having fun is so important to me. But I also love being at work and enjoy my day and feel so fulfilled by it. Shouldn't other women be supporting me and encouraging me, isn't this equality and freedom what we have fought for for years?

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LRDLearningDomHome · 01/07/2013 22:42

Isn't it a pity, though, that she can't just talk about it and not be judged? Sad

I know that's castle-in-the-air stuff right now, but it is.

garlicnutty · 01/07/2013 22:46

I know I start explaining too much when I feel challenged, even when someone has just asked a perfectly normal quesiton like how old are your kids and I launch into a detailed rundown of their childcare arrangements confused So if you are doing that stop it!!!

True, true, true!!! Motherhood makes you feel your responsibilities so keenly (I'm told,) and of course the patriarchal world's always waiting to put a woman down. Rise not to yon bait, they don't actually know your DD better than you do Grin

WRT ordinary projection, which a lot of this clearly is - try answering what they mean instead of what they say. Ask how they did it, whether their partner was on board, empathise a bit. If you're feeling really kind, ask them for advice. Most people love that! You just have to be ready to nod, smile and ignore it Wink

Viviennemary · 02/07/2013 10:22

What sisterhood????? It's a myth.

SauceForTheGander · 02/07/2013 11:13

If it helps I feel guilty about being a SAHM because I'm pretty crap at it.

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 14:30

Having a baby in childcare from 8.30am till 5pm is a long time. I think your Husband and you aren't giving your child the best start, but if it's the way it has to be then it's the way it has to be ...

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 02/07/2013 14:47

Are you having a laugh, teetering?

CMOTDibbler · 02/07/2013 14:47

I don't think the OP asked for opinions Teetering. Especially ones which are not helpful in any way

PromQueenWithin · 02/07/2013 14:50

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teetering13 · 02/07/2013 15:46

Not having a laugh .. and how do you know it won't help the OP? .. I might be speaking what they're both thinking ... who knows

Anyway, having a baby in childcare for 8 and a half hours a day is not the best start ... it's not rocket science

PromQueenWithin · 02/07/2013 16:07

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LadyClariceCannockMonty · 02/07/2013 16:53

PromQueen got there first but I second it all.

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 17:08

She certainly doesn't sound happy to me .... she sounds pissed off that so many people have the view that what they do as parents isn't in the best interest of her baby ... except they voice it to her instead of her hubby

and erm ... of course this is my opinion .. and by the sounds of it, the same opinion as pretty much everyone OP knows ... only I'd tell her hubby the same too :)

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LRDLearningDomHome · 02/07/2013 17:14

Hi OP.

I have no children so my advice isn't worth anything, which is why I'm not addressing the rest of the terribly exciting discussion above.

All I wanted to say is, my niece was in childcare like your child is, and she has thrived on it, and it is quite obvious it was the best possible thing for both her and her mother. I have to be honest and say that it is very clear my niece has benefitted hugely from being in childcare, as it suits her well and she is very happy (as I imagine your DD is, on account of, you know, you and her father actually knowing what she needs). But even she weren't obviously getting benefit from this, it is still hugely important that her mother benefits - as my lovely SIL does. From your posts it sounds as if this is just as important for you, so it sounds to me as if what you've chosen is perfect for you and your family.

I know you don't need anyone to say that! But anyway ... it sounds like a great set up apart from the niggly colleagues.

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 17:15

I think the point of this thread was for the op to gain help in dealing with people's unwanted opinions about arrangements she is perfectly happy with.

So it's a bit ironic, or a bit thick, to come on this thread and offer an unwanted opinion about arrangements she's perfectly happy with.

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 02/07/2013 17:57

'she sounds pissed off that so many people have the view that what they do as parents isn't in the best interest of her baby'.

Exactly. She is pissed off with OTHER people telling her what they think is best. She isn't pissed off with herself or her partner or their arrangements.

peteypiranha · 02/07/2013 18:02

I work full time, and no one has ever commented. Its hardly a big deal plenty of mums do it.

peteypiranha · 02/07/2013 18:06

Having read the thread where are most of you that an 11 month old being in childcare is unusual. Its pretty common, and not in the least bit unusual.

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 18:10

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AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 02/07/2013 18:11

I'm south west and would say full time child care at 11 months is fairly unusual round here. 3-4 days very common though.

Though that is obviously not relevant at all to the op and her decisions. she has chosen what is right for them. No need to copy everyone else Grin

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 02/07/2013 18:11

Sorry, that was to Petey

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 18:13

What's funny is the way you are spectacularly missing the point teetering. The op isn't interested in opinions about her choices. She's had a bellyful of them.

peteypiranha · 02/07/2013 18:14

I dont think many people judge women for working in rl. I have never met anyone who has commented, and as far as I know none of my friends have. I wouldnt worry op, I am surprised anyone has commented to you.

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 18:14

And last thing I knew there were 24 hours in a day, not 10