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Feeling a bit let down by 'the sisterhood'

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Hopingitwillallbefine · 01/07/2013 14:05

I am a new(ish) mum to a dd (11 months) and have just returned to work full time. This was not a decision I took lightly but made for a number of reasons, including the fact that we really need the money for a deposit for a new house and I love my job and have worked hard to get where I am, and would like to continue to progress in my career. My DH also works full time. We are fortunate enough to have reasonable working hours (him 9-5, me 8-4) which mean that between us we are at home with dd until about 8.15am in the morning and from 5pm in the evening. Between 8.30 and 5pm dd is at nursery. We chose her nursery because we loved it immediately and continue to be impressed and happy with the quality and standard of care it offers. Dd LOVES nursery, has made a great bond with her keyworker and seems to have such lovely, fun and full days.

Apologies for the boring details of our life - all pretty normal stuff. However the reason for my post and what has really upset me/pissed me off in the past few months has been the attitudes of other women towards the decisions we have made as a family about working hours and childcare arrangements. I have lost count of the occasions that I have been met with undisguised horror, disgust or pity when I've told female friends or colleagues I am back at work full time. Not all of them, but enough to make me feel like a dreadful mother. Responses like "is there nothing you can economise on so that you can drop a day or two?" Or "god you poor thing, that must be miserable". Even my manager has asked me if i want to consider going part time now I am a mum. Similarly, I have been treated to a variety of unhelpful and at times offensive remarks from friends and colleagues about our decision to use a nursery including suggestions that we are risking our dd developing attachment disorder or questions like "is there no way your family could help?" (No), "wouldn't you at least prefer a childminder?" (No), "have you thought about how damaging it could be if your dd's keyworker left?" Etc etc.

These comments are so frequent that I now have a pre-prepared mini speech when people ask about work or childcare to try and head off all the criticisms and 'helpful suggestions'. What annoys me is the implicit assumption that obviously I am only back at work FT out of absolute necessity and that if there were any alternatives at all I would of course be working part time or not at all as all good mothers should - and to admit that I have chosen to return full time partly because I still give a toss about my career and enjoy being at work is tantamount to declaring that I couldn't care less about my dd. Further, I wouldn't dream of questioning another woman's childcare choices and have been really upset and surprised by how many women seem to think that nursery is virtual child abuse and it is their responsibility to educate me on the reasons why. But finally, and the reason for my post in this section of MN is that all of this, without exception has come from other women. Not one man has made me feel bad about my choices or questioned them in any way. Similarly, my husband, who earns exactly the same as me, has never been made to feel bad about being at work FT. Nobody has ever suggested that he might want to go part time now we have a child.

So I just feel a bit let down by women at the moment. I know it is impossible to 'have it all' and I'm not pretending otherwise, but I would like to continue to pursue my career while providing as much care, love and attention to my dd as I can. I love her more than I knew possible and love spending time with her. I feel genuinely excited every day when I go to pick her up and we have a lovely two hours together every evening after work when I am totally and utterly focused on her. We have lovely weekends as a family and spending time together having fun is so important to me. But I also love being at work and enjoy my day and feel so fulfilled by it. Shouldn't other women be supporting me and encouraging me, isn't this equality and freedom what we have fought for for years?

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PromQueenWithin · 02/07/2013 19:04

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teetering13 · 02/07/2013 19:14

bless promqueen .. I just have an opinion on childcare for babies, it's not the same as yours ... but don't take it to heart :)

Portofino · 02/07/2013 19:16

It's all bollocks in my opinion. I had much the same and dd was 5.5 months when I went back to work. You need to grow a thick skin and ignore it. Women have always worked throughout history, unless rich in which case whet nurses, nannies were employed. Being a SaHm is a recent invention. You do what suits YOUR family. My dd is 9 now and we have a lovely relationship. She has not suffered from child care.

LRDLearningDomHome · 02/07/2013 19:22

teetering, that is a bit off. You've already been deleted once - is it necessary to be passive-aggressive?

I don't think you are helping the OP.

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 19:29

According to OP her life is rosey, she's just pissed off people aren't directing their concerns at her hubby as well as her ..

zigzoo · 02/07/2013 19:32

teetering13 - either you don't realise you are in the feminist section here or you do and are spectacularly ignoring that fact.

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 19:33

Yes well she did think it was rosey but you're doing your best to dispel that feeling eh?

boysrock · 02/07/2013 19:37

Teetering you are amusing me :)

Please tell me how this is the worst start in life for ops child? Correct me if im wrong but I was under the illusion that a happy mum equals a happy child?

Given how it is not set these that one wage will support a family how can it be bad for a woman to maintain an income? Given the financial climate how is it bad to have the extra security of two wages? Why oh why would sacrificing your career for shit money financial insecurity etc be beneficial to a child?

The op is saving for a house. I dont know her personal circumstances but this may be to provide a better life and education for her dd. How is that bad.

And finally, I would consider the op is setting a good example to her daughter in how not to turn into a doormat, how her dd has a brain that can be put to good use and how to remain independent. These things dont happen overnight.

I know people whose kids are in full time nursery and dh works away. Shall I call ss ad they are so clearly being damaged? Or do you think they may he busy firefighting with parents who are genuinely shit and neglectful? Bearing in mind that job losses homelessness and debt lead to greater neglect in those at risk. That has been proven by the way.

zigzoo · 02/07/2013 19:37
teetering13 · 02/07/2013 19:41

Glad I'm entertaining to someone boysrock :D

I don't think it's the worst start in life, I just think over 8 hours a day in care for a baby is a too much

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 19:44

I read the OP fine zigzoo ... she said she feels let down by the sisterhood, but what are the 'sisterhood' supposed to say if they really truly think over 8 hours is too long for a baby to be in care?

I think OP should take Portofinos advice and grow a thick skin ... if you feel you are doing the best then it shouldn't matter what others think

Just like I don't care how over sensitive others are being to my opinion on here :)

AmandaPandtheTantrumofDoom · 02/07/2013 19:46

You were deleted Teetering. Twice. That means that you crossed a line. And it's a line that's set pretty much in favour of free speech. You aren't direct. You are rude. People aren't over-sensitive. You are rude. And you certainly aren't abiding by the spirit of PARD.

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 19:47

Well if their opinion isn't actually being expressly sought perhaps the "sisterhood" should button it?

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 19:50

Why post on a forum and not expect opinions?

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StealthPolarBear · 02/07/2013 19:52

Boysrock I dont by default agree that happy mum is happy child. However I do think that happy mum = happy mum, and surely thats important in its own right? Each family has to consider what works for all of them and all may be required to compromise.

CaptChaos · 02/07/2013 19:58

I read the OP fine zigzoo ... she said she feels let down by the sisterhood, but what are the 'sisterhood' supposed to say if they really truly think over 8 hours is too long for a baby to be in care?

They should support and validate her choices. The OP isn't doing anything illegal or immoral, she's not placing her child in any danger, real or perceived and the people that matter are happy with their choice, so that's what they should do.

and by 'eck, you're rude teetering !

Chubfuddler · 02/07/2013 20:05

Perhaps all people should refrain from asserting opinions about matters which are none if their business if not specifically requested? Wouldn't that be refreshing.

Dozer · 02/07/2013 20:22

noticing comments / criticisms / scaremongering about others' childcare / work / SAH arrangements can become a useful filter for identifying annoying people that are best avoided Smile

teetering13 · 02/07/2013 20:22

Yep, you're right chub ... I didn't ask anyone's opinion on what I thought :)

PromQueenWithin · 02/07/2013 20:28

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HopeForTheBest · 02/07/2013 20:39

But the OP is inviting opinions on why the "sisterhood" isn't supporting her decisions. That's exactly what she's getting.

boysrock · 02/07/2013 20:50

I agree stealth. It is also very important to remember that the mum has equal claim to be happy as everyone one else in the family - something that is all too often overlooked.

The child usually benefits from that too. Im sure there is the odd exception.

Hopingitwillallbefine · 02/07/2013 20:50

Hi all, thanks for your responses - I really appreciate the support and advice and actually feel a lot better for it. I know I should be able to ignore the unwanted advice and criticism of others and I usually can, but like everyone I have off days when I'm really tired, stressed at work, have a million things to do, am missing dd or wondering what's she's up to and right then someone hits me with some nugget of totally unwanted and unsolicited information or advice about one of my choices and I just think, seriously?? You are a woman, a mother etc etc, surely you are familiar with the tough choices, constant niggling guilt, overwhelming tiredness of an interrupted nights sleep etc etc - but yet you seem determined to make me feel shit!! Shouldn't we all be sticking together?!
But yes I know that is idealistic and simplistic. But would just be nice sometimes!
Teetering of course you are welcome to your opinion, I am not so naive as to imagine that lots of people reading this don't disagree with the choices I've made. But I appreciate that many of those people have been kind enough to keep those thoughts to themselves and to offer some support and advice. As others have said, I've made my choices and I didn't come on here to debate them, or indeed to have them validated. Yes eight hours at nursery might not be ideal, and maybe isn't what I would choose in a perfect world, but I also had to consider the possibility that if I don't work, we may not afford a house in a decent catchment area, and the effect that being at a less well regarded school will have on dd? What about the effect of her potentially growing upmwithout sinlings if we couldn't afford dc2? Or the effect of renting long term and facing multiple moves? Or the effect on me of losing and grieving for the career that I have worked hard for and love? How do we weigh all these up and decide what's more or less important?! It is not as simple as mum at home good, mum at work bad.

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Hopingitwillallbefine · 02/07/2013 20:53

Realise I have just done the very thing I have come to resent, which is to try and explain and justify my choices...

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