Where did all the Feminists go?

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MN seems to have had a reorganisation of FWR when I was on holiday and me no-likey. Why do we now have a Rad fem section and Feminist light chat. So many of the dynamic, knowledgable and interesting posters have disappeared. I have to say that some of the more radical stuff posted really made me think about my views and re-align them. There doesn't seem to be much of that anymore. I am disappointed to be honest.

Xenia is a monomaniac who won't answer

The only time I've ever heard her say anything apart from ^^ was her marvellous description of Bonsoir's hubby which I will never ever get over.

Hully, do tell?!?!? Then I will stop saying it is boring here.

From memory she said she pictured him as a shortish tubby man in a red v-neck sweater...

Bonsoir came on to say how swooningly handsome he was IN FACT.

It was one of MN's most surreal and bestest moments...

Hahahahahaha

Fabulous. Xenia, more of this sort of thing please!

By the way I think you are right (ONLY ABOUT THIS) and I think he has slightly pointed slip on shoes with tassles, and light grey socks. The women in his office don't like being alone with him and when Bonsoir "drops in when she just happened to be passing" she snarls at them.

I'd like to see a whole thread devoted to just a conversation with Bonsoir and Xenia

When feminists say that to suggest men clean toilets at home and do as much as women has no place in the real world is the day femniism has truly failed. It is that kind of micro detail which is what feminism is really about. When men do as much as women at home women will progress.

When feminists sanctify dull domestic work as an aim for all they do the work of male chauvanists who want women to delight in cleaning and childcare as some higher calling.

Do you think Bonsoir's hubs does much travail de merde, Xens?

Autumn, I think the options are either PARD or report. If I decide to post disagreeing with Xenia, I do so politely. I don't feel like "I should know better" than to do this as it's what MNHQ encourage.

I completely agree with LRD that Xenia is never clear about who should be doing this childcare, but I live in hope. If she has got a great solution how this could be managed by society, we'd all love to hear it.

Xenia- in your world, who looks after the babies?

(I do try not to personalise internet postings. I hvae no idea who cleans the lavatories in the Bonsoir household but it is certainly a good test of whether you have a real man or not - real men do as much as you do and tasks other than breastfeeding are not divided on gender lines. I wield a mean saw.)

As for who should do childcare I refer yo to the Andrew Mitchell thread and my comments about the different between plebs and proles.... laughing as I type.

Hully, I think he wees deliberately on the fluffy u-shaped mat they have around the lavatory because he finds it amusing that she then has to wash it. She seethes but can't say anything because it would be Undignified and Unwomanly to admit that such issues exist.

The point is the husbands shoudl be cleaning the toilets and holding the baby . That is the real battleground, not in the boardrooms.

This is going to be like Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus.

Xens - if you were a bit more personalised and engaged, people would listen more. Instead you make yourself a caricature of yourself. It's a shame, because somewhere under there are probs some interesting and valid views...

Vezzie,

Xenia, but those jobs ARE essential. A woman doing it isn't demeaning herself, she is just maintaining a healthy environment (fwiw, dh does all the housework in our house) and I am spectacularly offended by your assertion that to do a lower-paid job, or stay at home makes you unfeminist.

As I have said many times, I don't want to do your job. Nor could I. But I also doubt that you could work in catering, or shops.

And who WOULD look after the babies?

Won't someone think of the children?

Vezzie - I think he strides about being all Gallic shrugs while Bonsoir is saucy in lace and serves Bourgignon while the dd plays something moody on the violin.

Xpost a zillion

I think so too - I think Xenia has a lot to contribute and I love her work on threads like "how to earn a £1k in a day".

However I think many people (including me) aren't as interested in work for its own sake. Getting out of cleaning the bog is important to me so I can do sappy things like see my friends, read, write, make things, have fun with my family, etc. This is not just through choice but also because I am simply not as robust as I would need to be to work all the time. I just amn't. I hate to have to face this, but I do. Many other people aren't either.

I agree with summer that both parents should be holding the baby and cleaning the toilet.

Nonetheless, someone has to hold the baby throughout the normal working day.

Xenia if you want us to read your comments on another thread could you post a link.

x-posts - was replying to Hully saying that Xenia can be interesting

so plebs should do the childcare whilst the privileged few send their dc's off to private schools, safe in the knowledge that this will give them an advantage over the plebs down the local rough comp?
Are you Margaret Thatcher?
I don't know who looked after your dc's Xenia, but the people who looked after my dc's whilst I was working were most certainly not plebs.
And neither am I.
I'm currently a sahm to 3 children. And I have a degree. A good one. I did go to a local comp, but it was only half rough. Does that make me half a pleb?

yy Xenia is hardcore, she is like a dogmatic bulldozer, and we need those too.