Schools denying girls the cervical cancer jab on religious grounds

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This is absolutely appalling. Even worse, they are not telling GPs that they are choosing not to offer vaccination :(

Grauniad article

I'm very disappointed that feministers and journalists are defending the powerful against the powerless. My experience is that health journalists in particulare are guilty of valuing their scepticism against anything they perceive as "campaigning" far too highly, and don't put corporate health PR in this category. Members of the public who complain of vaccine damage are considered to be well intentioned but silly, stupid people who don't understand the science. Health journalists value highly a. their own scientific understanding and b. their contacts at the DoH - they really don't want to lose these or annoy them by printing material about vaccine damage because then they might have to do some real work. There are few who listen to the public. "Trust me I'm a health correspondent" could be their motto.

Nobody knows how long it lasts anyway. It may well run out by the time the woman hits her twenties. The whole thing, rolling it out in schools, is an utter disgrace.

Enlightening article.

vactruth.com/2012/01/25/gardasil-killing-us/

I think I'll leave the anti-vaxxers to chat among themselves.

Yes because you have no response. We're all talking such sense and you can't stand it.

And, PigletJohn, I repeat my comment about feminists protecting the powerful from the powerless. I really don't think that's how it's supposed to be. But I guess people get complacent.

PigletJohn, I believe the religious slant on the HPV vaccine is mearly a smoke screen and tends to put many people in a bit of a tizz. It's being used to promote another uptake. Do a little research and you'll find Cervarix will soon be used as the vaccine of choice in England (GlaxoSmithKleine).

Dig a little further and there's to be a push for all children between 5 and up to 17 to be vaccinated against influenza in 2014. Don't appear to be many benefits expected but it was interesting to find on pg12 of the attached link how many of those calling for this mass vaccination are linked to big-pharma (one of my GDs will be old enough to be offered it, so feel I have a vested interest in what somebody wants to stick in her body and what the implications of that may be)

www.wp.dh.gov.uk/transparency/files/2012/05/JCVI_draft-mintues-13-April-2012.pdf

"I believe the religious slant on the HPV vaccine is mearly a smoke screen and ... It's being used to promote another uptake."

I'm sure this could well be true - and a good reason why it's being fed through the Guardian. For a long time now they've been very anti the people and pro the big money corporation when it comes to health issues.

Nice link. I lost count of the number of times "cost effective" and "cost effectiveness" were used, whereas "adverse events" I only saw once. But that's only on a skim reading. Do you know about the interests of members? I don't.

Excuse me Ann -- you're way ahead of me. I'll copy and paste.
Plse note readers: this is a committee making policy decisions on vaccine rollout.
Agenda Item III
The following members declared interests in companies that manufacture and supply influenza vaccines (Abbott, AstraZeneca, Baxter, Crucell, GSK, MASTA, Novartis, Pfizer, Sanofi-Pasteur MSD)
Ray Borrow
Non-personal, non-specific GSK, Baxter, Novartis, Pfizer and Sanofi-Pasteur MSD
The member is able to participate in the discussion and to vote
Judith Breuer
Non-personal, non-specific Sanofi-Pasteur MSD
The member is able to participate in the discussion and vote
Anthony Harden
Personal, non-specific AstraZeneca
The member is able to participate in the discussion but not to vote
Pauline MacDonald
Personal, non-specific GSK
The member is able to participate in the discussion but not to vote
Anne McGowan
Non-personal, non-specific GSK and Sanofi-Pasteur MSD
The member is able to participate in the discussion and to vote
Andrew Riordan
Non-personal, non-specific GSK
The member is able to participate in the discussion and to vote
Professor John Edmunds (LSHTM), an author of the cost effectiveness study, also declared a personal, non-specific interest in GSK. He presented the study and discussed the findings.

Accuracyrequired, just for you

www.gaia-health.com/articles51/000088-UK-Forced-Vaccinations.shtml

Excellent vactruth article, Ann and you are probably right about the smokescreen, Gardasil is going to be rolled out in Oct 2012. More money for Merck - hurray!

Gardasil is even more dangerous than Cervarix, judging by the numbers of reports of adverse reactions.

Oh god how boring.
The story is that some schools are opting out of a national health program administered in schools on religious grounds. And due to the way it is happening the girls are not being vaccinated even if they / their parents would have wanted it.
But we can't talk about , oh no. Because the anti-vax crew are here.
Great

they haven't noticed yet that everybody else has gone.

SardineQueen: here's the story: mumsnet swallows whole a PR strand about how girls are being refused access (except they're not) to a vaccine with dodgy safety trials and unproven efficacy. Hold the front page.

Do carry on talking about it, nobody's stopping you. But some of you seem strangely reluctant to discuss points raised. And there is still the question of why feminists have taken to defending the powerful, rather than the powerless.

It's not really our problem if you don't have a leg to stand on.

Piglet, you're reading every word and you have NOTHING in response.

Without this post I probably wouldn't have given the vaccine a 2nd thought. However, knowledge is power and thus feel armed with accurate information enable my DDs to make informed decisons which impact on the wellbeing of my GDs, and those around me who will be making the choice on behalf of their female children.

SardineQueen, how did you want this thread to evolve?

I haven't even bothered reading the "arguments".

I am interested in the fact that a national program related to health is being opted out of by entire schools on the basis that it is related to sex and that does not tie in with their religious beliefs. And in such a way that parents / children who would want to opt in are not even aware of it, so they do not know to do so.

You have to wonder what else is going on in these schools. When I was young misinformation and propaganda related to sex was the order of the day in local religious schools. One hopes stuff like that has changed but this decision shows that it has not.

"Female pupils not being offered potentially life-saving vaccine at schools that oppose premarital sex"

This is what the thread was to talk about.
Seems a lot of people don't really give a monkeys about this aspect. And on the feminism section too.

You haven't read them? Ain't that typical. Hands over eyes, fingers in ears and la la la.

"And on the feminism section too."

Some of us (well me) think you've got quite the wrong end of this from a feminist point of view. The feminist issue here is women and girls being denied information about the safety and efficacy of this vaccine, and being put at risk.

You are defending big fat corporation money over damaged women and girls and you have bought, hook, line and sinker a big PR line about it.

The religious issue is a mere red herring compared to this scandal which you can't even be bothered to read about because you're so obsessed with sex.

The schools have not opted out because they have concerns about the vaccine.

They have opted out because ""pupils follow strict Christian principles, marry within their own community and do not practise sex outside marriage".

That is a feminist issue and I'm a bit narked that a bunch of anti-vaccine people can't let it go just one time so that people in the feminism section can actually talk about this feminist issue.

God knows what else they are doing at these schools - what they are teaching them about sex, relationships, contraception, abortion.

But no we don't want to talk about those things do we

You have no idea if we're "anti-vaccine" or not - you have no idea what we've said.

This is a feminist issue because women and girls are being fed misinformation about the safety and efficacy of a risky medical intervention.

Where's the feminist in you now? Plainly compared to sex, this isn't half so interesting.