Love marriages banned in Indian village

[AnnieLobeseder]

More erosion of women's rights, this time in India.

But I guess with the huge erosion that's going on the US at the moment over the elections, it's hardly surprising that other parts of the world are following their lead.

AR, what are you suggesting? I'm more than happy to sign up to promote grass-roots support. What do you think is appropriate. Who should we ( the interested and engaged posters) be approaching for information on how to provide practical or financial support. Why don't you post contact links for those grass-roots local-based groups?

Ae you arguing that raising awareness is actually worth jack-shit?

eclectic so you are saying that the BBC reporting of this is incorrect and inaccurate?

accuracy, if you google "grass roots" and click on the wiki link, you will be enlightened as to what it means.

I think what Eclectic means is that in reality, this is the way things have always been, but now it's been formalised.

For example: if you look only at the "on paper" view of dalit rights, they've got it made. Protected, with special funds set aside and so on. In reality, it's very different.

Sardine. I have a lot of female family members who live in villages in India. I'm telling you, the article is not entirely correct. Don't argue this point with me as its not actually helping anyone is it?

But I know what a grass roots organisation is. What I'm trying to get at is what form the support from western feminists for the grass roots organisation would take.

The Bbc is not gospel as far as I am aware.

report in indian express

Pacifist, I did post a link for feminism in India.

No, the BBC is not gospel.

Thanks for the report sardine. I don't disagree that is the case. My point is its not rolling back. Media will always be outraged but society is different. Anyway, my phone is out of battery.

Incidentally, the local police are getting involved, because the rules contravene the over-riding laws of the country.

Are the police racist too?

Sardine, you have completely misunderstood my posts. This is not about racism.... Please re read.

What do you mean, racist too? Who is racist? I don't understand.

This is silly, this board is pretty rubbish on my first experience of it. Thanks anyway Eclectic.

eclectic the covering and not being allowed out thing is more of a strict muslim proposal, surely, than hindu? While women in India especially in rural areas obviously have a lot of problems there is a different "flavour" than these specific rules which have been described by local commentators as "taliban-esque". I admit I am not that au-fait with religion and stuff but I didn't think that not being allowed out unaccompanied was a general tradition in India. Happy to be corrected on that

"It's their country. Academic feminists should be interested in the idea of cultural colonialism and extending judgement beyond one's own borders. Making those kind of judgements inside geographic borders is often considered too judgemental and even racist, so there's a profound intellectual difficulty extending that negative judgement beyond them. I agree with all of your judgements on this but I see a colonial difficulty."

presumably the accusations of racism won't be levelled at the local police for getting involved. Just at a bunch of mums reading this news on a talk board and saying oh dear how awful

I'm afraid, you are in need of correction sardine. Got to go, phone nearly dead. Night all.

Sardine I don't think you've understood a single word. Goodnight all.

Is it the cultural norm for Hindu women in India to not be allowed out unaccompanied?

I am surprised. Does anyone have lnks?

Sleep tight you two

It depends on the area, family and other things but yes it happens, especially in villages IME.

Not generally in cities.

Well of course it happens.

But you are saying that it always happened in this particular village (which is very near to delhi).

The BBC says that these are new rules to do with having to be covered, not being allowed out unaccompanied, and not being allowed to go to market. And all if you are under 40. Which is a cut-off I haven't heard of before.

I think I would take the BBC report about these being new rules, above a general point that this does happen in some areas yes and so nothing has changed.

Well, your choice sardine. It's incorrect.

So you are saying for definite that women under 40 were not allowed to attend market in this village, or go out unaccompanied, before this law was passed?

I want a link for that, really.

If nothing had changed, then there wouldn't be any fuss, would there