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Agenda, much?

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Malificence · 03/03/2012 17:47

I don't usually wander onto the MN facebook page but I was pretty horrified to find what looks very much like an MRA agenda posted on there.
I'm trying very hard to see what relevance the photo used for their site has regarding the voices of unheard children. Hmm Looks more like how they would like to see their women to me.

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ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood · 06/03/2012 19:02

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AyeRobot · 06/03/2012 19:02

hehehe

I was going to ask if F4J members are disproportionately represented on the house price crash forum but thought it would be antagonistic.

Seems it was a fair question.

spydiii · 06/03/2012 19:02

"How can she say her organisation is not inherently misogynistic when she blames all contact disputes on the mother?"

  • If you smoke and you get lung cancer (20% higher chance) it's considered a verifiable link. If you go to court as a dad that believes (as does his solicitor) he has a good chance of equal or 'some' access, and in 94-97% of cases you lose all contact (various government figs) then it's not proof that it's an issue with mums? Put aside the gender thing, bacuse in other states where dads have all the rights (e.g. middle east) they have the same issue in reverse. 'People' given absolute power will abuse it - not everyone but those with anger (almost all at point of split, especially if let down?) and being wound up by a solicitor smelling income might just consider it. We'd argue it goes on more than most people realise.
BeerTricksPott3r · 06/03/2012 19:02

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NarkedPuffin · 06/03/2012 19:03

Ending the institution of the family'

How exactly? Confused

spydiii · 06/03/2012 19:04

A few 'F4J w**kers'? Do please keep the insults flying, you're proving our point about bigotry and preaching of hatred. As for a few, 11,000 people or which a third are female might disagree with you.

BeerTricksPott3r · 06/03/2012 19:06

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BasilRathbone · 06/03/2012 19:07

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BasilRathbone · 06/03/2012 19:08

We're grown-ups here, we can say wankers.

We don't need asterisks.

ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood · 06/03/2012 19:09

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FrothyDragon · 06/03/2012 19:10

That's funny...

I've yet to meet one father who has completely lost access.

In fact, I know of a paedophile who got access to his daughter on the basis it was "only" his stepdaughter he was abusing.

The 94-97% of court cases resulting in "no access" is bull.

ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood · 06/03/2012 19:11

Also, the figures i have seen that of about 95,000 applications for contact, only 300 are turned down. Where did you get 94-97% from?

Nyac · 06/03/2012 19:13

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Nyac · 06/03/2012 19:13

"write"

FrothyDragon · 06/03/2012 19:14

I was trying to find the stats... But those sound familiar, ThisIsExtremelyNotGood.

spydiii · 06/03/2012 19:15

Ending the institution of family... why not look at what feminists in positions of influence say in interviews and white papers to get an idea of the real agenda. A few example quotes (that in my experience few women who support feminism ever realise):

Kay Goodger (Now senior analyst/advisor to Ministry of Social development):
"The family distorts all human relationships by imposing on them the framework of economic compulsion, social dependence and sexual repression. Our goal must be to create economic and social institutions that are superior to the present family. The rearing, social welfare and education of children should become the responsibility of society rather than individual parents."

Oops, there go your kids ladies...

Linda Gordon:
"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process."

Potty? Is this the view of the average mum in the UK today? Suspect not.

Dr. Mary Jo Bane, assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman:
"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them."

Oops, there go the kids again. Now you start to see why these people have created lovely financial incentives to take ever more kids into state care. Increasing at the rate of tens of EXTRA thousands per year. Mums will soon be there alongside us campaigning when it hits them what's been going on whilst they've been on here and elsewhere arguing what a nasty bunch we men are.

Catherine MacKinnon:
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." .... "You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."

Errrr, just mad?

Treena Shapiro:
"I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it's OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys."

Any of you have sons? Like the idea of indoctrinating them with the 'fact' they are inferior?

Kate Millet:
"The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women."

Oops, there we go again, removal of your kids. But you'll be free of the little blighter's when they get there so that's alright then. Might even spell the end of mumsnet as, well, there won't be any if these loons get their way.

OK, enough. I could go on, I have hundreds of them. If only the average person on the high street really understood what's behind all this preaching of hatred between the sexes they might start to take a different view.

FrothyDragon · 06/03/2012 19:16

Matt was very good on that crappy little show on channel 4, debating abortion... Basically tried to claim a man should be able to make his partner remain pregnant, if he doesn't agree with her getting an abortion... Hmm

Rick Santorum would have been proud...

BeerTricksPott3r · 06/03/2012 19:17

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sunshineandbooks · 06/03/2012 19:18

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Nyac · 06/03/2012 19:19

Do you think he's ever read a feminist book? I"m thinking not.

spydiii · 06/03/2012 19:20

@Basil, you really think that's true, or are you just being a little melodramatic. No doubt you'll say I'm patronising you if I dare to suggest you could not be stupid enough to actually believe F4J would want violent people of either gender to have a child to look after. I think others can see the argument you make as ridiculous. Is that truly the best you have? Then the debate is over, clearly.

spydiii · 06/03/2012 19:21

I have read plenty Nyac, Tom Martin is sending me across a special reading list to ensure I don't miss any. ;)

FrothyDragon · 06/03/2012 19:21

Christ, and it was just this morning I was willing to say my Dad was crazy for chilli and banana-gate...

ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood · 06/03/2012 19:22

Do you think that men who committed domestic violence against their former partner should be given direct, unsupervised contact with their children, spydii?

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