Agenda, much?

[Malificence]

I don't usually wander onto the MN facebook page but I was pretty horrified to find what looks very much like an MRA agenda posted on there.
I'm trying very hard to see what relevance the photo used for their site has regarding the voices of unheard children. Looks more like how they would like to see their women to me.

www.facebook.com/#!/mumsnet?sk=wall

By the way, The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) took on its new online remit just a few days ago:
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New online remit
The remit of the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has been extended significantly to deliver more comprehensive consumer protection online.
Our present remit online includes paid-for ads (such as pop-ups and banner ads) and sales promotions wherever they appear.

From March 1st 2011, the UK Code of Non-broadcast Advertising, Sales Promotion and Direct Marketing (the CAP Code) has applied in full to marketing messages online, including the rules relating to misleading advertising, social responsibility and the protection of children. Journalistic and editorial content and material related to causes and ideas - except those that are direct solicitations of donations for fund-raising - are excluded from the remit.

Previously, our remit online was limited to paid-for ads (such as pop-ups and banner ads) and sales promotions wherever they appeared.

The new remit will ensure the same high standards as in other media and will cover:

Advertisers? own marketing messages on their own websites

Marketing communications in other non-paid-for space under the advertiser?s control, such as social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter

Marketing communications on all UK websites, regardless of sector, type of businesses or size of organisation.
Anyone who is concerned about a marketing message within a website can contact the ASA in the usual way.

For more information on the extended remit, read the Landmark agreement extends ASA's digital remit article.
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Post deletions are like buses. 4 years I've posted on here without any and now two in as many days.

I'm going to go and boot their arses on Twitter, if anyone wants to join me...

"FATHERS4JUSTICE UPDATE: There has been more then enough time wasted on Mumsnet and their bigotry today."

This means they are giving up on the legal threats. This means they know they have no grounds, and are seeking a 'noble' exit from their untenable position.

I think all of this discussing purporting to be about freedom of speech, but rather limited by MN's admitted overriding concern about libel, is all very interesting.

What I would like to know is, what does it take for MNHQ to decide someone, or some ideology, is unacceptable?

Plainly - as MNHQ has admitted previously - this is something of judgment call.

So, what exactly is it about trolls from F4J that you choose to extend to them your free (and rather well-respected) platform for expressing their views? It would be an insult to our intelligence to pretend that it was simply 'free speech' being protected, since we have been told many times that the pressures are more complicated than that.

I have to say they are easily offended.

I do have a twitter account but haven't used it in months. What is the hash tag?

I'd love to rejoin the twittering sounds like fun.

@runningforthebusinheels

I do understand why MNHQ have to be so careful - after all the SWMNBN business. But I trust this won't turn back into the debacle that was Tues night MNHQ? With no criticism of F4J being allowed to stand at all? Surely it is not defamatory to criticise a public organisation? Especially when you are using uncontested facts published by them themselves. Or quotes from already-published articles.

I really appreciate that MNHQ seem to have stopped the F4J trolls on here, and thank you for responding to my request so quickly and deleting all the misogynist rubbish being posted on your FB site. But you know they are calling us man-haters and child abusers on their site. It may have been deleted now (although I doubt it) but someone wrote that it's "not just the individuals posting on MN, it's the whole MN organisation now." That was the just of it - defamatory surely?

Please don't gag us and prevent us from discussing this highly politicised, lobbying, organisation - oh the irony!

We're not gagging anyone. Just asking you all to stick to our Guidelines.

And, no, it's not defamatory to criticise a public organisation. Although you could, potentially, say something potentially defamatory while doing so

ASA how to complain

Agree with LineRunner's 21:27 post. They know they're flogging a dead horse.

Isn't it sickening the way F4J have stolen the imagery and language of feminism e.g. Suffragette purple, or the demand for equality to pursue their fathers' rights agenda.

Gender hatred against men, even when it's not gender hatred against men but a statement of facts is not allowed on Mumsnet.

Gender hatred against women IS... In fact, it may even earn you a few brownie points.

MNHQ will you confirm that our details will remain private an confidential? I live alone with two children.

Am I at risk?

It's very simple Jericho.

Saying that women are lying, devious child abusers who make up DV allegations is fine.

Saying that F4J wish to reinstate father's rights as more important the rights of women and children is NOT fine.

I'm Decadentmadamez on Twitter

@BeerTricksPott3r

Would you have given them our log-in details like they asked, MNHQ?

Out of interest?

No, we never give anyone any information we hold on our members without their permission - unless we are specifically compelled to do so by law.

That's as clear as mud Helen

Thanks for the clarification though - you're not bothered about them slagging off MN to this extent then?

ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood, It's a backtrack tactic I see often in my line of work. Although not usually on the same day!

@smallwhitecat

It wouldn't occur to the lamebrains at HQ that they could threaten F4J with precisely the same sanctions as they are being threatened with, given all the crap that's been published on their site about MN'ers. If what is on here is actionable (it isn't) then what's on there sure as hell is. Spineless.

That would assume, smallwhitecat, that our intentions are the same as theirs. They aren't.

OK, hashtag is #laughingatfathers4justice, knock yourselves out ....

Have MNHQ invented an ignore button and used it on me?

I hope I haven't been deleted. There were no grounds.