Agenda, much?

[Malificence]

I don't usually wander onto the MN facebook page but I was pretty horrified to find what looks very much like an MRA agenda posted on there.
I'm trying very hard to see what relevance the photo used for their site has regarding the voices of unheard children. Looks more like how they would like to see their women to me.

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@BeerTricksPott3r

It's such a fine line, isn't it?

If I say I think the images published by f4j are reminiscent of porn involving children and must surely be the product of some sort of disordered mind I may well be deleted.

It's a valid opinion, however and I'm not alone in holding it.

It's such a shame that MNHQ are on the other side of that line to me.

No reason to delete that one.

@ThisIsExtremelyVeryNotGood

For example, if someone posts a link to a newspaper article about a person, and posters discuss the information in that article, is that defamatory?

No, not necessarily.

@BeerTricksPott3r

I'll tell you what isn't deemed to be defamatory.

Posting disgusting things about a man with obvious mental health problems in prison (featured on a TV programme). That he should be 'put down' was one of them.

Strangely, my report about that was brushed off with "Spirit of debate/challenge on the thread" bollocks.

Pity he didn't have f4j bigwigs looking out for him, isn't it?

News to me, that one, BeerTricks. But we'd be happy to root out that report and have another look.

I don't particularly blame MNHQ tbh, UK libel laws are pretty shitty.

tbh it's not hard to express ourselves on the subject of F4J with no fear at all of deletion/defamation because all we need to do is quote them and their words speak for themselves.

I am still really unhappy about the 'one rule for them, another for us' implication though. I mean seriously, can we call F4J womanhaters? Is that defamatory? If so how come everyone else can call us manhaters?

"Really? That post hasn't been reported to us as being potentially defamatory."

I'm not following. Are you saying it's OK to call Matthew Wright a cunt, right up until the time his lawyers or representatives email you and say, it's potentially defamatory? But until then anything like that can stay?

I'll ask again, MNHQ.

What are you doing about their defamations of OUR characters?

How are you defending us, god forbid...

@Nyac

"Really? That post hasn't been reported to us as being potentially defamatory."

I'm not following. Are you saying it's OK to call Matthew Wright a cunt, right up until the time his lawyers or representatives email you and say, it's potentially defamatory? But until then anything like that can stay?

We are a post-moderated forum, Nyac. We don't pre-moderate posts but we will remove posts that break our Talk Guidelines once we are made aware of them.

So, in the scenario you paint, yes.

So again. Can we clarify what you are doing about their defamation of us as man hating, child abusing whatevers...

Or why is it attacks aimed at the FWR are allowed, but attack on F4J aren't?

PLEASE clarify this for my tiny, idiotic brain, please. I'm starting to feel as thick as the ex made me feel.

Please don't leave. If you do that then the f4j idiots people have won.

I'm standing firm. Just because I think it's going to piss MNHQ off a little more. and I'll challenge every fucking decision that needs challenging.

From F4J Facebook (this is fair use, please don't delete/censor Mumsnet)"

"FATHERS4JUSTICE UPDATE: There has been more then enough time wasted on Mumsnet and their bigotry today. They have described fathers at F4J (an organisation run by women for BOTH parents) as the KKK or fascists, the women are 'handmaidens', children are 'brainwashed', grandparents and the other third of F4J comprising women, aunts, sisters etc - god knows what they will be called. And what for? For asking for equality of treatment? For asking to protect our children from a secretive and abusive system? For saying that our children deserve the BEST of BOTH their parents, not the worst? Does that deserve a poisonous stream of highly offensive vitriol and bigotry? As an organisation we will pursue injustice and bigotry wherever we find it. We will flush it out into the open and expose the sort of extremism that not only incites gender hatred against men, but condemns our children to share the same fate. We have work to do in the coming weeks in the run up to Fathers Day and a new and resurgent campaign to focus on. The journey of equality continues. Not for us, but to ensure our children inherit a system of family law free from the conflict of the past and where both sexes are treated equally regardless of their gender. That's what we believe in. That's what we will fight for. Nadine & Matt O'Connor"

It is ironic that F4J are threatening legal action. A group that has been involved in publicity stunts/action that are illegal.

I think the money would be better spent buying an OED. I think I'm going to stop reading the thread now. No way am I losing sleep or wasting precious energy over F4J.

I mean, I've had MRAs threaten to kill me before now. I have continued to laugh at them (admittedly on the grounds that they were in Cowshit City Arizona and couldn't afford the flight to the UK even if they had sufficient braincells to find out where I live). F4J's bunch of semi-literate knuckle-draggers can't hurt you, MNHQ. Just laugh at them. They will work themselves up into foaming fits but they can't hurt you.

I do understand why MNHQ have to be so careful - after all the SWMNBN business. But I trust this won't turn back into the debacle that was Tues night MNHQ? With no criticism of F4J being allowed to stand at all? Surely it is not defamatory to criticise a public organisation? Especially when you are using uncontested facts published by them themselves. Or quotes from already-published articles.

I really appreciate that MNHQ seem to have stopped the F4J trolls on here, and thank you for responding to my request so quickly and deleting all the misogynist rubbish being posted on your FB site. But you know they are calling us man-haters and child abusers on their site. It may have been deleted now (although I doubt it) but someone wrote that it's "not just the individuals posting on MN, it's the whole MN organisation now." That was the just of it - defamatory surely?

Please don't gag us and prevent us from discussing this highly politicised, lobbying, organisation - oh the irony!

Oh, so they're giving up on the 'Complaint to the Police about liable' [sic] already? Quelle surprise.

Delusional, they are delusional.

But hey we had better be nice to them because you know they said the word lawyers.

This could all have been stopped last night when Nadine twittered if MNHQ had just said they deserve what they get because they were trolling. But no - like all bullies and abusers they will keep pushing until someone tells them to fuck off.