Pro-life / Pro-choice

[Drowz0r]

Admittedly usually something argued accross the atlantic than in the UK anymore... I am curious to know how it ranges in the forum.

Anyone here pro-life or pro-choice? Any specific reason?

I hate the phrase 'pro-life' and most of those who use it are usually supporters of capital punishment as well.

I believe that abortion should be on demand for the first 12 weeks of pregnancy without the need to see a doctor to make sure this is what a woman wants to do. This infantalises the woman and the decisions she makes regarding bodily autonomy. After that a woman does need medical assistance as abortions are trickier to perform.

I also think that abortion is the lesser of two evils and is a specific harm caused by sex, specifically sex being penis in vagina sex, the others being pregnancy, birth control per se, stds, emotional trauma that relationships can bring (see relationships section of mumsnet).

However those in the pro-life camp would have women suffer these harms exponentially without safeguards or back up. Pro-life is a misogynistic term.

Ohh I thought you meant you ran a course to help people out rather than worked in sales. Though if you can get me some good deals I wouldn't say no! A lot of staff here love to develop. Have you heard of Logica? But for me an undergrad is a few study levels lower than what I have already (study level 6 atm). I suppose you sell the whole Anglo Saxon English and Latin English creative language modules as part of your courses though? I tend to favour the Latin side... popular in law. I suppose it's why people react as if they?re hearing a conviction heh.

Oh personally I like text fairly raw. Do you run everything through comic sans? I heard that helps dyslexics. There are all sorts of helpful browser plugins you can have these days too. I could point you to some if you like.

I do often wonder why some of the people who work for me type very badly written e-mails! I suppose, if like you say, techs are typically classically dyslexic that might be why... ah-ha! I would have suspected the techs to have sought help from somewhere, although I suppose it?s quiet scary being held back by a disability and not wanting to say anything. Hmm?

enphersis

Haha thanks woolly.

Oh, no, I don't work in sales. But if you are needing a hand, I know plenty of people who tutor.

I'm not familiar with study level 6 (I work in academia, and I think you are more familiar with part-time courses from what you said before, so maybe they work differently?) but I can turn my hand to most things, and usually if someone is struggling, it's the basics (back to GCSE) that need sorting first. But don't worry, it's not patronizing at all, people find more grown-up friendly texts to use and so on!

Spelling errors like 'enphersis' for 'emphasis' are a pretty common sign as well. It might be that the difficulty you have with coherent argument when writing things down is part of the same wider problem - do you find you struggle less or more face to face?

The study levels are a part of National Qualification Framework. Modules and such are assigned a study level. A masters degree would be a study level 6, a HND a study level 4. Do you work outside of the UK? It's widely known in academia inside the UK. Maybe different in scotland... I dunno.

Here, this should help:

www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/QualificationsExplained/DG_10039017

How interesting. I've not come across this.

We usually just refer to the qualifications by name, but if you are dyslexic and more numbers-oriented I can see the appeal ... easier perhaps to keep in mind than the letters and Latin names (it is very unfair for people like you that we still use Latin titles for degrees, I know!).

Anyway, would you like me to see if there's a course at your level? What would you be interested in ... just writing skills or more to do with structuring an argument?

Btw, where I work, an undergraduate degree is one level lower than a Masters ... do you perhaps mean an access-to-HE course, when you say undergrad? That would make sense of why your classmates were living at home, which I wondered about.

It is all quite Byzantine if you're not familiar, I know.

Well the only thing after a study level 6 is a PhD and I don't think a PhD in arguing is going to help me out really. Maybe one day I'll go for it though. Besides after learning a little bit more about you I'm feeling a lot more confident in myself.

I can see the attraction of using the old names and not having to keep up with the times but a study level 4 can be a HNC or HND, similarly a level 5 can be a Degree but not an Honours Degree. It also means those who have NVQs and trade qualifications can be broadly compared to the more traditional qualifications (NVQ5=PhD etc). Study level is a kind of, level of difficulty, I suppose. That might be dubbing it down for you a little too much... I don't want to insult you. :) (I'm practicing my not-apologising :P)

I've come across the different study levels. It's in common useage in FE, but not in the Higher Education Sector (both of which I've worked in).

You will need to work on your argument construction and sentence construction if you want to do well in your Masters though.

Slug (MSc Computing (Distinction))

Hey slug. I graduated in 2008, but thanks for the tip :)

Oh, you never know. It helped me out a lot - it's one of the nicest things about posting on here, that we can all share research and so on.

But I can see it probably feels like a challenge too far at the moment!

See how you go ... if you don't have an Honours degree, btw, you might still be able to work your way up. It would just take more time, and you would probably find you'd need a proper masters instead of a vocational one.

Anyway, I think we're digressing back onto the other thread about education now!

I'd best stop posting too much as I'm sure I'm distracting you from all that thinking and articulating you were going to do. Best of luck with it.

I didn't think anything could make me laugh today but I have just snorted out a huge bubble of snot. THANK YOU.

Thanks slug ... I've never got my mind around FE, but that makes sense now!

cui - sorry, I digress badly all the time!

It is an awful habit.

Hahaha indeed, indeed.

It's been an absolutely pleasure and I think there is little more than can be said.

I hope you enjoy my next thread just as much. Best of luck getting back into sales, I hear the commissions are good at Christmas.

that was to the troll LRD but keep up your good work too

I doubt he's a troll, cui - trolls tend to lie to make themselves out to be brighter/better qualified than they are, and I think he's genuinely as confused as he sounds.

It's not easy when you first come on a site like this and realize you're not making much sense, and I have a lot of sympathy for people who're struggling.

This is gold. Thank you LRD. Just thank you.

prochoice.

i think bringing unwanted children intot hte world is a far worser thing than people terminating early.

the unwanted children would suffer the most

Oh, if we're back to the OP's original point, I'm pro-life.

Ofc ofc. I'm in no way trolling? I'm not sure where that impression has come from. And I think LRD is really trying to help, why that's why when I started in here I was met with such warmth instead of the typical angry feminists you see all too often - I'm convinced those are just a few extremists now.

I think it helps that when you?ve strugged, like LRD has as a child with dyslexia, it makes you a very pathetic person.

empathetic* oops

I am certainly trying to help. Don't feel you're pathetic (that sort of typo is sadly telling).

We have a lot of warmth to give. Just sit back, listen, be prepared to learn a lot ... we may even be able to help you over this problem with communicating too. Lots of us have school-age children and are pretty au fait with the sorts of simple tricks that can help someone like you.

Anyway, I must stop posting now, but it has been a lovely afternoon, and I hope you've begun to get your mind around some of the simpler issues and clearer some of the fog! It gets easier the more you do.