Pro-life / Pro-choice

[Drowz0r]

Admittedly usually something argued accross the atlantic than in the UK anymore... I am curious to know how it ranges in the forum.

Anyone here pro-life or pro-choice? Any specific reason?

I think you've misunderstood. 'It's my body' is an explanation.

Btw, it's 'I think many here have misunderstood the post'. I'm sorry, I do hope you don't mind me correcting the grammar - you mentioned being a student on the other thread and I thought you might find it helpful.

Unfortunately* woops

Pro-life is the general term.

IMO 'anti-abortion' would be a far more accurate term.

pootles - that is interesting and unsurprising.

It makes it so clear that until people have understood that women's bodies need to be respected, we will struggle with the same issues again and again.

Hmm, what would be the equivalent treatment for self harm if compared to a ban on abortion? It's really not the same thing at all if you think about it.

Haha I was a student a few years ago. Been there done that.

But if it pleases you, please are be correct muy grammarz all u likez

And Mollified, you have obviously thought long and hard about your postion morally in regard to abortion but should that give you the right to tell other people how they should feel/what they should do in regard to a medical procedure?

I'm pro-choice and agree wholeheartedly that the term 'pro-life' is misleading and is just sinister propaganda. I am pro-life: I'm pro the life of women who don't want to bring unwanted lives into the world.

Ah, I see. Never mind, we can't all get it right all the time! My own grammar can be shocking, I'm sure.

why did you pick up the one sharp post?

and there are loads of posts who did engage with your question.
we have given reasons, and reasonings, including about the terminology.

I have just noticed an amusing typo, btw.

It's not 'termanology', much as you might wish it!

To be fair to the OP, I think a lot of young men find this debate quite intellectually challenging, because it is something women have often had more reason to think hard about it. I know it took me a long while to get my mind around it all.

Pro-life may be the general term in use but that doesn't mean that it's not objectionable.

Yes indeed LRD. My university boyfriend found his thoughts on the matter evolving quite swiftly when my period was a couple of weeks late!

I've always been moderately pro-choice, but am much more strongly so since I have been pregnant (very much wanted). I have been sick, depressed lacking in energy, socially isolated etc, and that is with the thought that I want this child. I could never force someone who doesn't want a child to go through this.

Incedently the reason our law almost allows abortions on demand is because pregnancy is very risky for the health of the mother, and early term abortions aren't. From a mental health perspective, the only abortions which make things worse than that pregnancy in the first place are those which are for wanted children who are likely to be severly disabled or when a life-threatening on the side of the mother makes it necessary. Not early-term abortions for unwanted pregnancies.

Yes, I bet mooncup!

(My grammar is generally reasonable... but I'm lazy on the interwebs :P though you're welcome to proof read some of my websites if you like Dragon :D)

I disagree with pro-life being a negative term. Pro-choice could be seen the same way as people view the "pro-life" label. For instance it suggests pro-lifers are removing choice but they're giving the baby the chance to make choices for itself, surely?

Again, the terms can be taken any way... I'm sure if you called them Pro-red and pro-blue, there would be an anguement for those terms too. The point behind the labels is the important bit.

Santa - I was talking about previous times when no one gave a reason and then used a recent example of what people are often faced with. Indeed many gave a thought out answer.

I don't like the term pro-life either.

I am def pro choice with regards to abortion.

Sorry, I am a bit busy but I think you'd be best employing a professional. I know people who work full-time in that industry and it really makes a huge difference. You can even turn a hobby into a modest source of income if you are willing to take the trouble, it's not bad at all.

But I digress.

I don't think your argument about 'the point behind the label' quite holds up, because what you find is that people actually mean what they say - so people who identify as 'pro life' really do believe that people who're anti-abortion are anti-life.

It's tough to get your mind around but it is, I'm afraid, quite true.

The baby can't make a choice to be born or not. Or did you mean something else?

I thought I read about a study from Holland recently that found worse effects on the mental health of women from continued pregnancy regardless of whether the child was wanted or not. Did anyone else come across that? I did google but could not find it.

"There are often mental and emotional consequences to the woman that I believe are often not made clear prior to the appointment at the clinic. "

That may be true( although I dispute it). However, the are sure as hell mental and emotional consequences to the woman forced to carry, birth and look after a baby she down't an't that are not made clear at the an't natal clinic.

"down't an't" =" doesn't want"

I don't really see the logic in the argument that there are mental and emotional consequences of abortion, therefore abortion is bad.

It doesn't make sense.

You would have to demonstrate that the abortion itself - as opposed to the pregnancy, or the wider situation, or the way in which the abortion was carried out - was the cause. And the very large numbers of women who have abortions with no ill effects would seem to suggest abortion itself is unlikely to be the root cause of the problems.

There are mental and emotional consequences of being pregnant when you don't want to be, surely?

Exactly!