The departure of dittany

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I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

you slung her a rubber?

Alice and Scallop: Thanks. Personally, I really love this board. On a broader level, I think it's an important and unique resource for women. There isn't another board like it.

scottishmummy: Do you realise how awful you sound? That women should only post harrowing experiences in a closed forum, lest some arsehole trots along and forces them to 'slug it out'? Let's not dress this up as some demand for a 'safe space' - we can fight out ideological differences until the cows come home. But when it comes to to ABUSE, how's about being just a little bit nice to one another?

And the feminists here DID set up their own board, from what I know. It's right here.

really bizarre to keep it a secret whether or not one is a feminist. Perhaps you're not quite sure.

It's my birthday. I have partaken of much food and alcohol and haven't read the whole 9 pages.

The feminist threads have rocked my world. I am 43 (today eeeeek!) and haven't felt much discriminated against - I got an education and a career and was fully of the opinion that you got out what you put in. Feminism seemed almost irrevelant - we have equal rights now, don't we?

But I read, and I argued, and I called Dittany names, and she called me names. And I listened some more, and I did some research and I read some of the recommended literature. And you know what? I changed my mind!

And I hope Dittany is still lurking as I owe her a debt. I will NEVER agree with her 100%. Maybe that is because my view is so entrenched, or maybe because hers is, but who cares. The Feminism section here has completely changed my way of thinking. I owe that to her and the other frequent posters on these threads.

I am much more aware now. Maybe it won't make much difference to me overall at this point, but bloody hell, I hope it will make a difference to the message and life lessons I give my dd. I have learnt SO much and try hard to pass that on.

Anyway, waffle over. More birthday Limoncello needed....

Victor - great post.

Many happy returns Portofino!

no its feminists topic within an established board
didnt set up a board,that is significantly different
and the fundamental crux of all this,is some feel maligned and let down.this is misplaced and erroneous

That's a lovely post Portofino.

Happy birthday, Porto

Get a pint of water and a couple of paracetamol before you go to bed, won't you ?

happy birthday, porto.

i mean you no harm, sm, and know that you will sling me a deefy (am spelling that carefully... it's probably not the ticket these days) but imo it is true what herbex says. i suppose i don't get why you wouldn't hide the topic yourself, i'd have thought you would get bored with being on here.

Happy Bday Porto!

I don't have the energy for the 'header' thread right now and folks are going to be going to bed soon anyway. I will do it tomorrow, although if anyone else fancies a kicking starting it, feel free. .

I will do it tomorrow otherwise though cos I'm well hard hopefully it will be a useful discussion.

Oh and I agree with Victor and Aitch.

Maybe she wants to work out whether she is a feminist or not, Aitch.

no aitch dont tell me where or what to post on open forum
i have and will post across mn as I wish,and as is your option too
i wont hide a topoc i actively participate in,why should i?

is that really how some of you conceptualise feminism on mn.all received opinion to be affirmative and owt else is troll, go away,or toolish

you see i will not hide a post or poster and i can and do post in any manner i wish be it ebullient,toolish or a blether

Feminists asked for it. Feminists got it. Feminists kept it going.

Do you realise that 'safe space' is normally used in the context of not using language that is triggering and offensive with regard to race, gender, sexuality and mental illness? 'Safe space' does NOT mean 'don't hold an opposing view'. Pretty much all the feminists here are at least a little fond of a good old debate, or they would have left for good. Calling someone mentally ill for their views, however, is not debating.

I feel let down that ablist and misogynistic language is strewn across MN, and particularly on this section because it seems like a small section that could be monitored more closely than the larger site. Ablist and misogynistic language is squarely aimed at mentally ill and female PEOPLE. Racism rightly isn't allowed here. Why is sexism? Why is ablism? This site has sections for parents of children with SEN, and yet elsewhere posters are freely permitted to use terms like 'unhinged', 'loony', and 'mental'. Nice. Really fucking nice. Such posters should be ashamed, and if they aren't ashamed enough to stop then they should be banned.

Let's not dress this up as some request from The Feminists because they can't handle a bit of a ruck. Let's see this for what it is - a sustained complaint that ablist and misogynistic terms are tolerated here.

I don't think you read Aitch's post properly SM. She didn't tell you where to post, she expressed her puzzlement at why you participate here. It just seems to make you angry, your posts are very irritable.

not cantankerous in least.i leave that to name callers.

Will do AF

Is anybody else just so weary of going round and round in circles ?

ha ! cross post with porto

< brightens >

you can pass that Limoncello round in a circle, oh yes indeedy

< takes a fucking massive slug >

yes AnyFucker. I much prefer proper discussions about feminism.

why do you have to be signed up? Why can't you just come on to see what is being talked about and what 'feminism' is? Just seems a really unfriendly, closed board when you could be opening peoples minds with more tolerance and proper discussion and try to educate people. Do some of the regulars here realise how unwelcoming and belittling this board can feel, I'd imagine many posters come, have a look and run the other way. I had no idea it was like a closed club. Dittany had no problem hopping about other boards, taking over threads and hitting people over the head and twisting their words and opinions to get her way and make her point to the point that people slunk off feeling they had been beat over the head enough. I think there is some hypocrisy going on here. TBh, when ever I saw Dittany appear on a thread my feeling sunk and i wanted to run as fast as i could as i always knew what was coming.

Unpleasant posters who post really unpleasant views in order to try and abuse and taunt women who have suffered rape or abuse shouldn't be tolerated and I doubt anyone would support them. I haven't seen any such posts myself so not sure exactly what was said.