The departure of dittany

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I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

Beachcomber: 'Yeah I have got one huge fucking sense of entitlement wanting not to be called insane, antisex, a liar, damaged goods, emotionally unstable, a man hater, an extremist, etc just because I have the temerity to discuss feminist analysis and perspective on a 'board about feminism'.'

I've reverted to lurking after getting myself burned, but I absolutely agree with everything Beachcomber and others have posted. We talk about 'kindness', but how about some kindness for the regular posters on this board?

I find the ablist and misogynistic language being chucked around utterly disgusting. How about a bit of kindness for me? If I want to hear such shite, I can go outside or turn on the TV. Is it too much too ask that anyone who objects to my views takes the time to set out why they disagree and why they think I'm wrong, rather than resorting to such weakness?

How about a bit of plain old-fashioned kindness to women who post harrowing experiences as examples to the rest of us or just to get it out there? I totally agree that we should all be careful on the internet, but any one of us could detail abuse without outing ourselves. Merely saying that people shouldn't post is glossing over the real issue here - that there are posters on this board who think it is their right to say whatever they please, whenever they want, and when they're called on it, then it's their right to blame the abused poster. Utterly shoddy.

Are you a feminist ScottishMummy? Why are you so cagey about answering this question?

Lenin, they don't get banned. That's the frustrating thing. I used to believe that too. As someone once beautifully put it, due to the criteria about them having to claim the be someone they're not, we need the people posting the misogyny to be an 80 year old feminist woman.

swc,yes you are rambling
as you wish

Well said Victor.

swc I think we need one of those ironymeters Aye was talking about.

Lenin, but then there's the next one, and the next one, and the next one.

I would really like a link to the thread on which someone said, and I quote, "All porn actors are rapists".

I have done a search of that quote and I can't find the thread.

why does SM never want to say whether or not she's a feminist? A quick yes or no would suffice.

And yes well said Victor. Meant to articulate my nodding on screen before.

Well I don't know Lenin, there's the UKFeminista boards. I bet we could liven them up.

The trolls can't get there and maybe if this place went quiet for a while and regulars only posted in response to threads asking for a feminist perspective from non-regs, we could have non troll invaded discussions elsewhere and come back in a few months (or never) when the trolls have lost interest.

Of course the risk of that is tht this place would just become one more feminist-lite space full of shit about how getting your tits out for the ladz is empowerfulising. But maybe that's what MN wants, maybe it will attract more advertisers. I expect we put them off.

if some seek a moderated safe space with acceptable parameters -set up own board

why slug it out on open forum that will not and cannot meet your requests.you're on to plums

tbh sm i really do think of you as one of the persistent derailers of the conversation on here. (not a troll, and there are those as well but actually i find them easier to ignore).

for me, if you come on here you are already signed up, more or less, to feminism being A Good Thing, so it is just really tedious for it all to be dragged back to first principles every time.

however, i can see your point that it is an open forum, i really can, and that of course not everyone has signed up. don't know what's to be done, really. i do think that the example of going onto the doghouse and saying every single day on every single thread 'hey you guys, you know it's only a dog, don't you?' is a good one. we have the freedom to do that, actually, but we choose not to exercise it because for the most part they are happy doing what they are doing.

sybil im not accountable or answerable to you or mn
another zealot asled me this a gazillion times. i slung her a rubber
i am toolist apparently

no big deal aitch.ive been calleed mra,apologist,derailer ever eince i didnt kiss arse

I think the difference is Aitch, that I don't feel my world view is actually threatened by dog-lovers.

I don't have a dog and wouldn't really want one because of the effort, smell, vet fees etc. But I don't feel that someone who has one, threatens my view of the world and so I don't feel the need to go and berate them and tell them for God's sake, get a cat instead. I think if they want a dog, good for them, there are many positive aspects to it and although it's not for me, I wish them well with their canine friends.

People are threatened by feminism in the way they aren't by dogs. Or chickens.

indeed keep faith on open forum everyone can and will post
thats the point
and if no likey tell mnhq about tooslish antics

tedious is habitual fem topics whining and wah mnhq wont treat it spesh