The departure of dittany

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I only know that she has left, and in her post she didn't say much as to why, though some people can speculate and imagine why.

Quite a few days ago (last weekend I think) there were threads that pinpointed the lack of consideration that MNHQ has toward the sort of trolls that infest the FS section from time to time - different in nature and purpose to your average troll that infects MN from time to time.

It may well be that d. is in contact with regular posters whom she trusts. I don't know.

What I do know is that d. was a fabulous source of invigoration and illumination to a lot of posters, myself included, though we didn't always agree with her.

I would like a review from MNHQ of their current "talk guidlines" policy, in order that the FS is provided with a consideration that recognises the particular vulnerability that it experiences.

D. left for her own reasons - but this presents itself as a sort of 'test case' for MN to respond sensitively.

Would anyone agree and post here in support of this?

fair point madwomanintheattic. I simply referred to 'we' as FWR regulars simply because that is the group being held to account here (of which I am a part) and accused of putting off other posters/over-reacting, etc.

I certainly don't believe in one-size-fits-all feminism as most of my other posts will demonstrate.

I also think it's worth pointing out that calling yourself a feminist doesn't necessarily make you one (generic you).

Blimey, AF, it's not like you to be so thick slow

sure, no worries. but some of the 'other' posters are fems too.

lol AF. i worked it out yesterday.

sharp as a blancmange, me

blancmange is a funny word, isn't it ?

< swivels head >

but that would be quite subjective on your part. and kind of like building a one rule feminist stop shop. and you wouldn't want to be doing that, would you?

If I count as a regular, sunshine - not sure I do - I don't associate with much of what you've posted to this thread. So please include me out of your "we" (if I was meant to be in it).

It very is. "White eat"? Wat dat?

Mind you, I do like blancmange. And angel delight, could you be one of those please?

I think this section gets the trolls because it's a part of Mumsnet by parents for parents, not a feminist website.

And some of the views expressed are quite extreme for a parenting website.
But then again Mumsnet does come across as fairly contemptuous of men, it may not mean to but does.

I have a fad for butterscotch Angel Delight

It is like eating fluffy baby poo

but I lurves it

garlic - I do count you as a regular because you regularly post on the board. I disagree with some of what you say, agree with other bits. That shows how feminists can agree/disagree I think.

I'm sorry if I've caused offence by referring to us/them/we whatever. That wasn't my intention. It is the rad-fems (of which I don't think you include yourself) that are always criticised in this section and that's the 'we' I was referring to. It is they that non-regulars tend to mean when they criticise the FS section. Perhaps I should have made that clearer. We can all be guilty of causing offence unintentionally. I have been a bit about some of the comments you've made about LPs but I gave you the benefit of the doubt as I thought that wasn't your intention.

mad woman I was thinking about the deliberate trolls who say things like "I'm a feminist but..." as a not -very clever way of deflecting criticism ("but you can't say I hate women - I already said I was a feminist" etc)

But you raise a good point I'd also like to talk about.

Feminism is a political movement. It is a very broad-ranging movement that encompasses a wide range of ideas (some of which conflict), but it is a political movement. You can't just 'be' a feminist in the same way you can't just 'be' a conservative/labour supporter unless you know what you are supporting.

Plenty of people call themselves feminists without having the faintest idea of what they mean. Believing in equality is not really the same as being a feminist, though it can be similar in some areas and is certainly a good starting point.

It is very true that feminist blogs and other feminist fora all over the web are dealing with a very specific kind of determined attack as described by Giyadas, and maybe MN is slow to realise this?

You even get the same thing on DV support fora, which are not even necessarily promoting any particular pov such as feminism, but providing help and support for women in crisis.

There are some very damaged and dangerous men out there.

I am contemptuous of some men, sure

and I mean it

Butterscotch angel delight [sick]

Last time I liked that, I was pregnant.

Two fora on relationship issues that I joined a few years ago had strict and thorough vetting procedures in order to keep out trolls and stalkers whose aim in life was to make sure women knew they had no safe place to turn.

if you want a different tone of moderation to rest of mn and a group of moderators on fem topic,then you need to look at set up own forum. what some of you are seeking isnt mn open forum

I read a book once where butterscotch angel delight was code for something very unpleasant indeed.

Thank you, sunshine :) And you're right, that wasn't my intention though I never got the chance to say what was!

Perhaps we should deactivate the world's misogynists by drowning them all in angel delight (mixed flavours.) They could make the next Torchwood about it.

what ?

I have to know this

last post was to LeBOF

I shall pm it to you, I'm sure it's not that interesting to non-AG aficionados.

The way LRD is going on at SM about what she said on her thread is just whiny and immature - bit like Dittany's flounce tbh. Oh, and I think 'the Demise of Dittany' is a better title .

Yes, I'm sure it is whiny and immature. After all, it was practically polite of SM to bring up how rude feminists are when she's rude herself.

Oh pickled you card