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when you engage with the trolls

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MitchiestInge · 04/09/2011 00:14

. . . is it a personal thing (actually engaging emotionally) or are you communicating with a wider, more silent audience or are there other motivations?

I can't work out why more people don't ignore them, but every now and then the exchanges are unintentionally funny or interesting - although mostly it gets very dull very quickly. Wondering what's in it for them too.

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edd1337 · 05/09/2011 22:52

I don't go there now, I went there ages ago to see what the hype was about

MrsReasonable · 05/09/2011 22:52

Please point out where edd joked about raping or stalking, beachcomber.

edd1337 · 05/09/2011 22:54

Getting away with what? I'm making posts here answering your question and talkin to others, how is this trolling? You meanwhile are playing the troll card reletlessly, which ironically is a form of trolling

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 05/09/2011 22:54

MrsReasonable, edd said on the "Feminists Dont Hate Men" thread "I could rappe someone and get away with it"(sic) Post has now been deleted.

OliviaMumsnet · 05/09/2011 22:55

@dittany

I want to know how he's getting away with it.

What is Mumsnet's criteria to identify trolls in the Feminist Section?

Sorry, I'm going to wheel out the West Wing analogy: The Secret Service don't comment on procedure .
DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 05/09/2011 22:55

Excuse the typos. typing one handed.

MrsReasonable · 05/09/2011 22:56

Yes, I know about that one DCMFD, and no-one could have thought that was a joke about raping - it was a (tasteless) joke acceptance of all the 'male privilege' he had.

edd1337 · 05/09/2011 22:57

To which I apologised. Sorry if you can't/wont accept that

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 05/09/2011 22:58

Was still a rape "jooke", whether it was about male priviledge or not

dittany · 05/09/2011 22:58

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 05/09/2011 22:59

Edd, MrsReasonable asked... I gave the reply. T'was all/.

edd1337 · 05/09/2011 23:00

Again, how am I trolling? I'm here answering questions and making posts like everyone else here. Look at other threads I made contributions too where I raise points and object and such

That's hardly trolling

Beachcomber · 05/09/2011 23:00

I reckon you are going to be another one on my 'do not engage with' list Mrs Reasonable.

Mind you, I have been keeping any exchanges I have with you to a bare (but tedious) minimum so far.

dittany · 05/09/2011 23:00

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MrsReasonable · 05/09/2011 23:02

I can't see why you think edd is a troll, dittany. Troll does not mean anti/non-feminist - edd is discussing feminism, has even stated he agrees with aspects of feminism.

MNHQ made it clear that this is an open board, and dissenting opinions are allowed. If he makes personal attacks, report it; if he tries to derail, report it. Otherwise ignore him, or engage with his posts.

MrsReasonable · 05/09/2011 23:04

Fine by me, Beachcomber. Seems odd that you want to come to a discussion board but only, y'know, discuss things with people who already agree with you, but your choice.

dittany · 05/09/2011 23:06

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DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 05/09/2011 23:06

The impression I got is that beachcomber is choosing not to engage with people she perceives to be trolls. Not ignoring people because they don't agree with her.

edd1337 · 05/09/2011 23:07

So i'm here trying to explain why i'm not a trolll and you are not addressing my points, you are ignoring me. Fair enough. If you are ignoring me then you can ignore the so called "trolling" you think I indulge in

AnyFucker · 05/09/2011 23:07

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BecauseImWorthIt · 05/09/2011 23:09

I'm torn on this one.

On the one hand, I agree with MNHQ that you can't call troll just because someone disagrees with you.

However, it's apparent to me as someone who very, very rarely visits the Feminist Board, because you are all a bit scary and intimidating (so shoot me for saying that), that edd and Bob are here only to be disruptive and undermine the conversations.

Bob and Ed - I really don't believe you are here because you think Mumsnet is a wonderful place, or that you are here to develop your own feminist thinking. You show absolutely no interest in any other part of Mumsnet, except for threads that mention the words 'feminist' or 'feminism'. In fact, I'd be prepared to lay money on you both using the search function to find threads (outside the remit of the Feminist board) that use these words.

However, as both Bob and Ed (assuming that they are different posters, of course), are mostly very careful to post within the MNHQ guidelines, and their posts can seem oh so reasonable. They are skilled at not appearing to be offensive to other posters - "I'm just putting forward my own point of view, my own argument - am I not allowed to do that?"

Other people have done that, in MN's history - daftpunk is a classic example -and it's hugely frustrating as it is then nigh on impossible to ban them, as they don't infringe any of MNHQ's guidelines.

So they can't be banned as they aren't transgressing any of the rules.

However, it's very clear what their agenda is. If someone like me who isn't here very often can see it, then I'm surprised (and a bit - nay a lot - disappointed) that MNHQ can't see it.

I would like to suggest that MNHQ monitor/police the Feminists board much more carefully/regularly than they are doing at the moment. I know and appreciate that MN is a huge site and very fast moving. Nevertheless, I think that this board is more vulnerable than most.

I have come to the conclusion that there are two things that should happen:

  1. MNHQ should appoint moderators for the Feminist Board (if having moderators makes it difficult legally, then perhaps we should have more volunteers on site duty specifically on this board)
  1. We should allow blocking of posters on this board.

If posters like Bob and Ed are genuine about their interests in women's issues, then they will be free to express them elsewhere, and they will be subject to the responses of the broad church that is the MN membership.

Beachcomber · 05/09/2011 23:10

It is the tedious repetition of the same old sly underhand clichés that generally lead to an update on my personal list.

Whatever happened to the ?

People hardly ever parp any more. Did it go with the old members who went to the place that shall not be named?

I think I'm going to resurrect it.

MitchiestInge · 05/09/2011 23:13

I was thinking about Moldies, whether something similar should happen. But I like it here and am good at ignoring.

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edd1337 · 05/09/2011 23:13

BIWI. I post on AIBU and Relationships too

As for my interest in feminism, look at other threads i've contributed to. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree. If I had no other interest in feminism outside MN how come I am aware of Biting Beavers blog archive which i've read?

As for me and Bob being the same person... can we prove we are not in some way?

Just what is wrong with sticking to the rules and having our own opinions?

dittany · 05/09/2011 23:13

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