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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can you be a feminist housewife?

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wigglybeezer · 30/08/2011 14:00

Can you be a feminist if you don't have a career but your DH does, especially if this situation has been going on for a long time (13 years in my case)?

I don't feel downtrodden by the way, merely a bit bored and lacking in choice ATM. I earn a small amount of money, so don't have to ask DH for everything but I'm wondering if my Granny (who was a hospital consultant) was a better feminist than me. I just found a photo of her and her pals at medical school where she has noted on the back that there were 18 female medical students out of 180!

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LeninGrad · 31/08/2011 21:43

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scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 21:49

really?ok

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 21:51

you do know there is a school of thought would say
prove it
links
references
but i dont adhere to that mince

beckybrastraps · 31/08/2011 21:52

I'm disagreeing with your solution Lenin, not over whether there is an issue to be addressed.

TheRealMBJ · 31/08/2011 21:55

Good posts HerBe and Lenin.

Just to add, men's salaries actually increase after having children while women's decrease.

HereBeBolloX · 31/08/2011 21:56

So what's the solution then?

We live in a society where women have to take a financial hit for bearing and nurturing children.

Are we happy with that? Do we say, OK, women either have to stop bearing and nurturing children, or they have to accept taking a financial hit because our society sees the reproduction of children as a cost, rather than an investment?

Or do we change society?

LeninGrad · 31/08/2011 21:57

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scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:00

but if female salary decrease because sahm doesnt work,well thats to be expected. if you reduce your working hours or dont work obviously expect a salary decrease

i maintained same employer,mat leaves 6mth.have been promoted.motherhood isnt an inevitable financial decline.but i planned for my return,and how to maintain career.i was fortunate

this isnt case for all women

but dont compare someone who voluntarily doesnt return to her job to be sahm with a woman who experiences institutional sexism in workplace.some careers are v family unfriendly

Justfeckinggoogleit · 31/08/2011 22:03

You weren't fortunate, you just made a choice, is all.
I dunno, lots of women have little choice. They simply cannot raise a family on one salary alone.
You only have real choice if you can.

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:06

we could have managed on dp salary but i never wanted to sahm. i chose to work there was not financial necessity to do so

beckybrastraps · 31/08/2011 22:08

Don't know. Anything I think of seems unworkable or ineffective! I don't think we should do something for which we already have a pilot study if you like, which has not worked either to give economic independence to those in receipt of it, or to raise their status, just to do something.

Justfeckinggoogleit · 31/08/2011 22:08

But not everyone has the choice. Most don't , I think.

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:09

unworkable because too costly and not required.untenable

HereBeBolloX · 31/08/2011 22:09

Yes, if women do what men do, they can often earn almost as much as men and do very well.

But when women do what women do, that's when they get shafted.

Childcare is as valuable as working in the cash economy. So why does it result in poverty?

Justfeckinggoogleit · 31/08/2011 22:09

My status is perfectly raised, thank you.
I am a married woman with children who doesn't work because I don't need to and choose not to.

I can't think of a better status to be in, if I'm honest!

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:10

do you really labour under premise women dont want to work?want to be maintained by partner wage. fact is some do,and some most certainly dont

LeninGrad · 31/08/2011 22:11

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beckybrastraps · 31/08/2011 22:13

Then we're not talking about you then Justfeckinggoogleit. Most women don't have very well paid husbands for a start.

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:14

what scores of things?
compulsory salary deduction from the partner of the housewife?

LeninGrad · 31/08/2011 22:15

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beckybrastraps · 31/08/2011 22:15

What individual men? The partners of the SAHP? As in they pay their partners formally for childcare services?

Justfeckinggoogleit · 31/08/2011 22:17

SM, most of my ( intelligent, highly educated) female friends would rather NOT work, no. they would rather have the opportunities to do other things with their lives. but the mortgage has to be paid.

Justfeckinggoogleit · 31/08/2011 22:18

How would a husband paying his wife be feminist?

It would be awful! How humiliating! Our money is our money, not mine or his.

scottishmummy · 31/08/2011 22:18

if housewife and wage earner want to negotiate their own finances,fine
but no the state should not intervene or impose compulsory payment