Re the Norwegian deaths.

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Breivik is critical of the influence of women in his life saying: 'I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminise me to a certain degree.'
Both his mother and stepmother are described as feminists.

I wonder what connection he made in his mind?
What could have happened in his family?

No, the point is that people who do (and think and feel) like this arsehole consider themselves losers, deep down. There's something they want (more sex, more money, more fame, more attention) but can't have, and it's all those feminists/muslims/gays/darkies/commies/jews/illuminatilizards' fault.

Have a look at this piece from the Ministry of Truth blog about what Breivik's beliefs appear to be. Very interesting.

See here

Great Guardian article on this very topic

Anders Breivik's chilling anti-feminism

"Breivik's introduction is entirely given over to a half-baked history of political correctness, "no aspect" of which, he tells us, is "more prominent ? than feminist ideology". The PC-project is bent on "transforming a patriarchy into a matriarchy" and "intends to deny the intrinsic worth of native Christian European heterosexual males". But more than that, it has succeeded. The "feminisation of European culture" has been underway since the 1830s, and by now, men have been reduced to an "emasculate[d] ? touchy-feely subspecies".

The antipathy to feminism ? and women ? threaded throughout Breivik's document is more than just incidental. The text is peppered with references to the pernicious effects of the "Sex and the City lifestyle, the propagation of sexual immorality (indexed by women's promiscuity), and the "erotic capital" women use to manipulate men. The degeneration of our civilisation is intimately linked to an epidemic of sexually transmitted disease and "emotionalism". Indeed, the danger of women's "unnatural" demand for equality is such that Breivik closes his introduction by claiming that "the fate of European civilisation depends on European men steadfastly resisting Politically Correct feminism".

The anti-feminism and the misogyny is the key to these men's behaviour.
Everything else is trappings.

They are dominant, they do live in a patriarchy, and they believe their dominance must be maintained, at all costs.

yeah, not buying that anymore either are we SaF.

Men's studies = world history? Don't think so.

The author of that guardian article actually reaches a different conclusion to me. She concludes that his misogyny was but one part of his motivations, whereas I am obviously concluding that it was the root core. I have reached this conclusion after reading a lot of feminist works recently, especially by Mary Daly.

THen again, the author knows very well what will happen to her if she writes what I am writing. She will lose her job for banging on about women too much. LIke Bidisha did recently.

when I keep talking about misogyny being the root cause of these men's crimes, I mean exactly that.

If you read the work of misogynists, you often find (Just like this Norwegian one) they are obsessed with technology that will one day allow men to create life without women.
Dig a little deeper and you find that they despise women precisely because of their reproductive capabilities. Many compare the impotency of men to the possibility of life creation inside a woman's body. Most of them are too arrogant (or stupid) to hide this in their writing, which makes it very easy for feminist women to see what makes them tick.

Many of them move to the next logical conclusion (for these men that is). If they cannot have power over life in the form of creation (and they can't) then they will have the next best thing (to them). They will have power over life in the form of the destruction of life.

BUt they are deluded. WOmen have power over life. Men can only ever have power over death.

Well, unless they finally succeed in usurping women by creating artificial wombs, that is. And the relentless march to usurp women continues.
We must remember, that men will create males once they have power over reproduction. Lots and lots of them. We'll be fucked.

I mean, they'll create more males than females. A bit like what's going on around the world now with female foeticide in cultures that prefer boys.

I mean, if men finally get their wish, and have power over life creation, the world will be fucked because they will create little armies for themselves and possible let the odd female through as fuck toys and to do the shit work.

Yes, that too SaF. That's the whole point of men's insane march to prevent women from having abortions. It has fuck all to do with life and everything to do with controlling reproduction.

What the hell is wrong with men? I really would like the answer to this question

I know what you mean, swallowed, about the blog piece I linked to not expressly dealing with the gender issue. However, to me, fascism as a political ideology has always been synonymous with a particularly poisonous type of misogyny anyway. It almost goes without saying that someone who ascribes to it has deep-seated weird and hateful attitudes to women, but I completely acknowledge the need to draw out and examine that aspect explicitly.

I agree with that argument-to me having a warped, extreme political philosophy is a usually symptom of more fundamental problems, so the misogyny, general misanthropy and inferiority come first.

Breivik has developed a lot of emotional and psychological issues, clearly, and the manifesto, isolation, and violence are his way of expressing those.

On another note, I do wish that the media would resist the temptation to keep publishing his awful, self-aggrandising photos, especially the one where he is brandishing a gun. Just because Breivik cloaks himself in the style and posture of macho heroes does not mean we have to take him at his own estimation. Strong, brave and manly in any positive sense is exactly what he is not. We know from the Raoul Moat case that there are plenty of fools out there who find that appealing. They should find the geekiest, most inadequate-loooking picture of him and just use that one.

to me having a warped, extreme political philosophy is a usually symptom of more fundamental problems, so the misandry, general misanthropy and inferiority come first.
Too true!

OMFG, look at this article I've just found:

NOrwegian Attacker Blamed Women

"As she analyzed the 1,500-page manifesto and videos produced by Anders Breivik, the man who has confessed to Friday's attacks in Norway, journalist and GOOD associate editor Nona Willis Aronowitz spotted something really odd: Anders Breivik had it out for her mom.

Her late mother, the feminist activist, writer and icon Ellen Willis, was singled out, she writes:

Breivik mentions her in the same breath as Simone de Beauvoir (go Mama!) and blames them for the "skyrocketing divorce rates" and "plummeting birth rates" that created a "cultural and demographic vacuum" in the West. According to Breivik, this vacuum led directly to the Islamic takeover he cited as justification for Friday's bombing and shooting spree.

Ms. Willis Aronowitz gets to the heart of why his critique of feminism is so relevant:

Breivik's spiteful commentary on feminism isn't too different from the hate mail that appears in my own inbox on a regular basis. As some have noted already, Breivik's rhetoric echoes a fairly common conservative argument about feminism?that selfish Western women aren't producing enough children to keep up with Muslim world, and therefore opening up their nations to the possibility of Islamic extremism.

The rest of her post is really worth a read, as are the analyses of Anders Breivik's writings done by two investigative journalists: Religion Dispatches senior editor Sarah Posner and "C Street" author and frequent TRMS guest Jeff Sharlet. Scroll back to what they wrote on Sunday, and read it all the way through. Also, check out Ms. Posner's excellent blogging on the topic here."
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