Re the Norwegian deaths.

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Breivik is critical of the influence of women in his life saying: 'I do not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminise me to a certain degree.'
Both his mother and stepmother are described as feminists.

I wonder what connection he made in his mind?
What could have happened in his family?

Sakura. Don't forget your agenda is also condoning murder

Men massacring women and kids happens all the fricken time apparently. Why not just go the whole hog and kill men who haven't actually done anything yet, but since they are such a hauuuge risk it's just a necessary precaution

swallowed fair enough.

Ah, ok-contact battle. But it seems that on his own account, his father did not keep in contact with him thereafter.

"Men massacring women and kids happens all the fricken time apparently."

yes it does.

Article in the Guardian here:

Anders Breivik's chilling anti-feminism

this was linked on the Guardian article - it's a section of his 'manifesto' in which he interviews himself. It's very long, but makes it abundantly clear that he's a very educated man - it's not illogical rambling. Use Crtl+F to search the page for 'feminist' - he talks about his childhood and family.

The self-importance and severe judgement of others is what appears to set him apart from typical racist misogynists.

Elephant well i suppose it depends on your definition but if you compare the chances of being killed by a mass murderer to other, common, types of death, no.

Can't believe some of you rush to sakuras defense, its laughable. I saw her smear test thread, seriously, it was so odd.

Link to a more in-depth guest blog on Shakesville. Worrying.

shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/07/global-echo-of-violent-misogyny.html

'Can't believe some of you rush to sakuras defense, its laughable. I saw her smear test thread, seriously, it was so odd.'

I can't believe how naive people can be and how their response to ideas they disagree with/have never encountered before/go against mainstream views result in them questioning the mental state of the poster - 'odd', 'has issues'. Trolls do it, too.

Holding views that are alien to you doesn't mean that some one is odd.

I'm not at all surprised that this wretched man hated women and 'feminists'. White male supremacist nutjobs always do hate everyone who isn't also a white male supremacist. This is because they are always self-obsessed losers who have to blame a whole world of 'others' for their own failures - it's the blacks, it's the women, it's the gay mafia, it's the marxists, gonna Kill them aaaalllll!

Swallowed re. Patriarchy versus matriarchy.

I get that attitude a lot too and it drives me insane. It's as if some men have been so indoctrinated in this idea of life being a constant competition that they think if men aren't the winners they must be the losers. That there cannot be a society in which men and women equally win.

No, his political philosophy wasn't white male supremacy. But he was a white male supremist in the sense that the world is currently entirely dominated by men, and the west (whites), and his sense of entitlement was just the natural progression of his class (malethis seems to be the most important factor in all massacres, white)

But what has got to me this time is just how willing women are to believe the man-made media when they insist on pretending this guy was yet another "one off" instead of the natural outcome of being part of a world that condones male violence.

The media keeps people in the present. It stops you from analyzing patterns, connecting the dots. Did I mention that the day after the Norwegian massacre another man in Texas massacred 6 people in a roller rink?

I am spitting mad over it because men dominate politics, the media and big industry. IT is very clear to me now that wars and terrorism and massacres support male dominance, and in fact, male dominance couldn't survive without these things, because it's NOT NATURAL. Men are not born leaders.
So governments and corporations encourage violent media in the name of "freedom of speech" knowing it is detrimental for women and children because of the way men are conditioned to kill.

Once you know the result and outcome of a particular behaviour or policy, and you keep doing it, then it can only be concluded that you are doing it deliberately

The media is having a great time smugly chatting over this man's motivations, because let me tell you , the politicians and the media don'T disagree with his misogyny

exactly joan

people are so male-identified that they think women would behave like men if we had power. As if.

The animal rights movement, for example, has been lead by women. WHen women first entered the sciences they were shocked to see that male scientists were dissecting and experimenting on animals while they were still alive (vivisection). The men saw nothing wrong with this at all ONe woman, Frances Cobbe, devoted her life to fighting tirelessly against these male scientists who didn't see a problem with the cruelty they were inflicting.

In the 1880s she founded the British Union Against for the Abolition of Vivisection. Cobbe?s tireless work against vivisection wore down her health and strength and by the end of the 1880s she left London for the seclusion of Wales.

All those men in the 1880s who had power and not one of them founded a union against cruelty to animals.

These men didn'T "get it".

There is no way a society run by women would be the same.

floy If you really think that being against any murder is naive, well, I am naive and would much rather be.

So I'm a troll now. Ok. Maybe you've just never come across my non mainstream views. Just because you disagree with me. Honestly...

Also I disagree. Sakuras views are extremely odd. Maybe odd is the wrong word. Disturbing?

Oops sorry reread smear test thread it's actually superfantabulous. Who really cares if they get cancer

There is no way a society run by women would be the same.
Keep telling yourself that.