Separatist Feminism

[VictorGollancz]

Ok, I really am really very late for work at this point but I thought it might be nice to have a space in which we can discuss separatist feminism. I've read a lot of advocates of it, and even incorporate some elements of it into my own life - I prefer not to live with men, for example - but I don't practise it totally and I can't find any examples of any separatist communes.

Does anyone know anything more about it? Does anyone live in a separatist way?

Surprisingly good Wiki link here

Yes, I think I probably am a bit of a social Darwinist, but I don't know enough about what that is all about.

posie - yes, but hunting isn't necessarily a sign that men were more in control - just as with lions, the males may be bigger and able to bring down a bigger kill, but that doesn't seem to affect teh power structure.

But I am a social Darwinist in my understanding of how nature works, but I believe that nature can be changed by humanity and should be changed by humanity, so I do not believe that humans are bound by social Darwinism. I believe in God and goodness and believe they should overcome social Darwinism.

SaF, how did I not know you're an anthropologist?! I am very excited now - it's one of those areas I would love to understand (but don't).

I am not a fan of teh Darwinist Richard Dawkins, because I don't believe that society should be run on Darwinian lines. But he had teh idea of a meme or idea of some sort that replicated itself in society and changed society's thinking. I think that is a realistic way at looking at how ideas can spread and change societies e.g. teh idea or meme of global warming for example.

I don't understand what social Darwinism is. I will have to look it up on wikipedia. Give me 2 minutes.

OK, I believe in Darwinism but not social Darwinism. I am against social Darwinism because it is about eugenics and population control with people like Malthus and Galton and Hitler. I am against the greens and global warming for exactly that reason because I believe that they are part of the Malthusian population control agenda pushed by teh elites.

'Herbert Spencer's ideas, like those of evolutionary progressivism, stemmed from his reading of Thomas Malthus, and his later theories were influenced by those of Darwin.'

Yes, I don't believe in any of that. As wikipedia says it is "progressivism" and I think that is just a tool of the elites.

Claig, if you genuinely believe that the world and human beings are at the mercy of a bunch of 'gods' who set everything up to provide them with maximum entertainment, well.... I suppose it gives your arguments on here a degree of internal consistency.

I don't genuinely believe that. It was an analogy.

Also, it ignores the other theory, which is that women raise the children living in groups, with the men popping back for a mating now and again.

I think this set-up is ideal. Women would then arm themselves against men, and men could no longer be parasitical of female energy-- the way they are right now, especially in marriage.
Your average man flounders in society without a wife propping him up. Women should use that energy for themselves, and other women, not for feeding the patriarchal machine.

Which I suppose is the whole point of separatism

But sakura you're married.

Say the patriarchy machine is defeated and we do live in female only groups with men as sperm donors, what do we tell our sons? That their value is held in their balls alone? I do not want my sons to have no chance at being a parent, which is the most important part of my life.

okay, it's difficult. I can'T really talk about personal feelings here out of respect to my husband, but put it this way, I believe in motherhood and the mother-child bond, and I think that patriarchal society's have invented a myriad of ways to fuck mothers over and disrupt that bond.

I don't agree with the POV of certain radical feminists who believe that women who "breed" are contributing to the problem of patriarchy. I think that if women sneer at women for doing what our bodies are designed to do then they have fallen for the big P's idea that women are inherently faulty, and our body's are too. I think what women's body's do is AMAZING.

I have opted to co-operate with the father of my child enables me to raise my children, but yes, it's not ideal, and it's not in-line with my politics.. can't really say more than that

And what about gay men? Are we now saying that part of the feminist movement is to create a matriarchy? Because I don't want that.

opted to co operate? Wow....I'm not thinking that's an ideal really is it? How patronising and insulting.

How about I love my husband and think he's a valuable part of my children's lives?

FFS.