Separatist Feminism

[VictorGollancz]

Ok, I really am really very late for work at this point but I thought it might be nice to have a space in which we can discuss separatist feminism. I've read a lot of advocates of it, and even incorporate some elements of it into my own life - I prefer not to live with men, for example - but I don't practise it totally and I can't find any examples of any separatist communes.

Does anyone know anything more about it? Does anyone live in a separatist way?

Surprisingly good Wiki link here

In this new utopia,

I think all the males should have a large P somehow imprinted on their foreheads. (think Rimmer from Red Dwarf)

This will remind them of Privilige, Patriarchy and Penis.

When they reach 18 if they want to stay and are fully accepted into the community, the P is removed, at the Peeing off ceremony.

If they arent P'd off at this point they are sent back to the mundanes and the men and the wonderful world of cricket, pubs and Sky sports news.

Cyprus hasn't been invaded for a few years... We'll take the northern part first, then kick the rest of the island out. deal? Yes? We'll take Cyprus then

Anyone got a Greek warship?

That said, aren't there a few uninhabited Greek Islands?

I know a bit of Greek. Mainly "please", "thank you", and "goodbye, wanker"

why would women be necessarily more equitable to each other than men/women interactions?essentially enduring human traits and characteristics would be enacted. both favorable and unfavorable traits would be enacted.

it is an oft touted premise that women would be nicer,more equitable and create a fairer social community.

why??

doesn't this in fact tap into stereotypes that women are more nurturing, home and community makers

face it the same tensions that beset any group would be present.gender wouldn't protect or ameliorate from such human tensions.

there is not an absence of female dysfunction
deluded and lalala to assert live in wimmins world would be more harmonious
and stereotypical notion of all goddesses getting along

that was humour?dearie me
what do you do for an encore
i dont often advocate use of wee humphy faces but you should use :o to be v clear youre trying to be funny
not obvious

My 21 year old DD has been assaulted 3 times, twice in High school and once this year, every time it was young women / girls who attacked her.
There are just as many violent young women around as there are young men.
Young women are more at risk from other young women , just as young men are at more risk from other young men.

Sorry Mal, the crime figures simply don't back up that statement. There aren't as many violent young women as young men around, there simply aren't. That's why most prisoners are men, not women.

Also I think we need to remember than anyone wanting to join a separatist community, isn't actually going to be a bog-standard violent Prisoner H Block wannabe, are they? I mean, women like that probably wouldn't be that attracted by the idea of separatist living where they might have to be respectful of their fellow beings or get kicked out of the commune.

yes less females convicted than males of violent acts.but this in itself isnt an absence of female dysfynction.

i struggle with this notion that women together = better or more harmonious. only got to look at mn to see female majority isnt necessarily shared ideologies or harmonious.the fundamentals of child reaering, mode of feeding and what constitutes good parenting is what habitually causes aggro on mn

in any rl situation tension from living and working together,personality and ideological clashes would still be prevalent. as would ability to be collaborative and collective.but cannot deny discord or minimise it just because its women

Yes but generally women don't beat each other up because they disapprove of each other's Greggs' choices or ear-piercing of children, SM.

No-one's saying that women aren't nasty to each other easy, that's not what the discussion's about. It's about separatism as an experiment. A terribly threatening one, apparantly.

I've no interest whatsoever in living without men; I really enjoy shagging some of them. However, if other women want to try it, I'm perfectly happy to support their choice. I'm not remotely threatened by it.

this habitual ach but women dont do dis and dat,is frankly bizarre
the prevalence may be less.yes.but women do perpetrate aggression
i struggle with the women= more harmonious.its sterotypical

But nobody's said women = more harmonious.

Except you.

but its the whole global premise of single sex living is it would be better
freedom from male hegemony,violence etc as sistas wouldnt do that

And it's not bizarre to look at population figures and say women do dis, men do dat, in your parlance.

Demographic data is a perfectly reasonable thing to look at, nobody intelligent thinks it means everyone in that group does xyz, of course group overviews don't always translate to individual circumstances.

Well maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't SM.

No-one knows as it hasn't been tried on an enormous scale.

Don't panic, I don't think Cameron's going to introduce an edict that declares all women over 25 have to go and live in an all female commune. Everyone can calm down and carry on with their normal lives, there's nothing to worry about.

nonetheless,reduced prevalence isnt absence
so simply because males commit more aggression doesn't mean women commit none

Nobody has said that though.

Again, you are arguing things which have never been asserted.

Why?

its a global discussion i dont need to cite a mn quote before i can assert an opinion.you see thats how discussion goes,i dont need to wait on a mn word on screen for me to explore a discussion.and think you'll find that's how most mn threads go