Separatist Feminism

[VictorGollancz]

Ok, I really am really very late for work at this point but I thought it might be nice to have a space in which we can discuss separatist feminism. I've read a lot of advocates of it, and even incorporate some elements of it into my own life - I prefer not to live with men, for example - but I don't practise it totally and I can't find any examples of any separatist communes.

Does anyone know anything more about it? Does anyone live in a separatist way?

Surprisingly good Wiki link here

professionally and personally i am of opinion.people have propensity for bad
not men,not women.but people
and its how we manage function and dysfunction that is the hard part

oh right, a global discussion.

Meaning, you can assert any old bollocks that you want, pretending that this is a commonly-held view, and come on to a mumsnet thread and mither on about it and expect people to engage with your silliness?

Oh... kay. I see. May I be excused?

Scottishmummy, I agree that a wome-only society would not be without its flaws: I'm not sure that anyone thinks unpleasantness would come to an end. Perhaps we would see incidents of female-only violence and sexual assault. But on the current statistics, the perpetrators of violent physical and sexual acts are men. Men hurt women, and they hurt other men. Seperatism is a reaction to that.

But we're not managing dysfunction. Separatism seems to have had its heyday in the 70s and 80s. All the writing I've read about male violence was true then, and it's true now. This suggests that society is not managing its broadest dysfunctions.

I'm of the opinion that the differences between transsubstantiation and consubstantiation, are so minute, that it wasn't worth hundreds of people killing each other about. It's how we manage the disagreements between the two, that's important.

yes her beX i dont need to take my cue from mn.i can spontaneously initiate any pov i wish. it is conversation.a fluidity ad spontaneous exploration that doesn't need a prescriptive mn said list - does anyone else wait for a word to appear on screen before they can proceed. i dont. do you?

And why should a victimised group that wields little power as a group wait around for those who do hold the power to either hand over some of that power or sort it out themselves? To return to an earlier analogy, if the black community of South Africa had said 'blow this for a game of soldiers, we're off, ans we're taking our labour with us', I don't think anyone would have complained except the whites who benefited from that oppression.

No but I generally try and relate at least some of my points to the subject under discussion, SM.

And not post in an accusing and aggressive manner, that xy and z is not the case, when no one on the thread has actually opined that it is.

Coherence is a worthy aim, even if we can't always attain it.

FGS women aren't all newspaper editors, you know.

casual glance across mn,10+posts from op and noone much has stuck to op premise.its how spontaneous and fluid ideas charge a thread

Well yes, some ideas are more fluid than others.

and some pov dont need the mn nod to appear in discussion

No indeed.

And there's no need whatsoever, to relate that POV to what anyone on the thread is saying.

There's no obligation at all to try and engage with the actual discussion that's going on, we can just talk about anything we like here.

I totally disagree that Rebekah Brooks hair would benefit from straighteners. That's a really strongly held POV. I don't care that no-one on this thread has asserted anything about straighteners, I'm determined to assert my POV.

You might find, SM, if you were to read this thread, that the reason that this thread is finding it difficult to discuss the original premise is because posters trying to discuss it keep being interrupted by people making wild and untrue comments about what female separatism is. Most of them resulting from the fact that the poster making them has failed to taken the time to read what has been said so far, or is so completely sure that she is right that she sees no point in reading what others have said on the subject.

HerBex you loon: hair straightners? You are so wrong. The best thing for curling hair are curlers.

cat,having read thread in entirety i feel compelled to participate
as indeed it seem do you et al
or are you suggesting all opinion are equal but some are more equal than others?

You know what, throughout history and in many , many cultures, women have lived largely separately from men.

You take many cultures, women are not allowed to have any contact with any man apart from their immediate relatives.

And yet no-one jumps up and down in horror about it.

Where men impose separatism on women, that's just a bit exotic and strange. Not threatening and outrageous, though.

Everyone has the right to their opinion, yes. However I tend to award validity to opinions to the extent which they concur with the evidence currently available. Thus to be of the opinion that something for which there is no evidence, for example that the holocaust did not happen, is not valid in my book.
And therefore, for you to say that it is "deluded and lalala to assert live in wimmins world would be more harmonious"; is not a valid opinion about this thread, in my opinion, since nobody has claimed anything of the sort.

A bit garbled there: the incomprehensible sentence should read:

"Thus to hold an opinion about something which has no basis in fact is not valid in my book. Example: having the opinion that the holocaust did not exist."