Was Bristol Palin raped?

[darleneoconnor]

according to this bristol palin was so drunk when she conceived her son that she doesn't remember having sex.

Sounds like rape to me.

Then she was basically 'forced' to marry her rapist? WTF! Sometimes America sounds more like the middle east!

Quite a few forums are discussing this, with some

disgusting rape myths on this forum

From the link that you posted MrsReasonable, the second one where you picked out the lower figures

"Less than half (47%) of young adults would assume that the person they are intimate
with doesn?t want to have sex with them if they are being physically pushed away. This
indicates that more than half would not view this behaviour as a deterrent.

? Only 57% would assume that the person they are intimate with doesn?t want to have sex
when they say no. This suggests that 43% don?t think ?No means No.?

Second part, for some reason it got split
"Although 56% say they would never pressure their partner into having sex with them against their will, this suggests that 44% would.

Over a third (37%) say that they would assume their partner does not want to have sex with them if they were crying. This suggests that 63% would not be put off by tears."

HRH, why should we assume that you are telling the truth, when you are quite happy to assume that other women are probably lying? Why the double standard?

MrsReasonable, I don't believe that 6% figure at all. It's pretty common behaviour to go out drinking and get laid. Do we really think that only 6% of young people do that?

From the second report, this is horrible:

Although 69% of men would not try to have sex with someone if the other person did not want to have sex with them, this indicates that almost one quarter (25%) of men would still attempt sex.

Someone please tell me I have read this wrong, but is that saying that 25% of men would attempt to have sex with a woman who doesn't want it, ie rape them?

I don't believe any of the statistics, karmakameleon. The questions are poorly worded, and all the responses came from a self-selecting group on an online poll.

I wonder what the figures are for females in a relationship who have sex whenbthey dont feel like it because the man is irritable or, its been a while, or hes pushy so its best to 'get it over with'
Mind yiu, on other threads i have seen women say its wrong to deprive your partner of sex.
Its got to be worse for teenage girls cos they think sex is 'expected' and everyone is at it. The pressure is enormous.

HRHM, what does it matter if the neighbour was invited or whatnot.

Consent is re-negotiated throughout the sex act itself. AT any point during sex, a woman might change her mind because it hurts, or is uncomfortable, or a woman/girl could just think "fuck this, let's stop" and if the man carries on then it becomes rape.

I've had a large number of partners, and I've never been raped because luckily (and I'm aware it's pure luck) all the men I've been with with got this basic stuff.

The difference between sex and rape, I mean.

Actually I despise the word "consent" because it sounds like women are the gatekeepers to men's ucnontrollable urges.

Anyway, my point is that andy "circumstancial" evidence or suppositions surrounding your step-daughter all amount to nothing, because only she knows whether she wanted sex throughout intercourse or not. NObody else except her, and the neighbour knows.
She says she didn't.

Verrrry strange of you not to believe her.

Riven I remember reading (on here, I think) a woman saying that her partner was an abusive rapist and she was with him for years before she got it together to get out. Anyway, what she said was that the times he coerced her into sex because she knew he would sulk if she didn't were in some ways worse than when he just raped her. It sounded like she was saying that she still felt she was being raped, but she had "consented" because she couldn't deal with the repercussions of not consenting. He might have raped her anyway, of course.

Reality, I'm not being funny, but how do you know whether there have been women who have actually lied about rape.

Society believes all women are liars and they are treated as such. MAybe all the women you think have lied about rape might not have actually.

The man I spoke about upthread lied too. He sexually assaulted me and then told everyone that nothing had happened while we were outside.

Men who sexually assault and rape women lie all the time.

HRH, why should we believe you, when you are so reluctant to believe other women?