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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If I used breast imagery in a pictorial political satire i.e. David Cameron’s face looks like a tit, is it unacceptable and like the use of breast imagery in a lads mag?

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 00:33

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mamas12 · 04/06/2011 00:50

I object to the fact that womens bodies - breasts - are used in a derogatory manner. To call someone a tit is belittling women and you should use a a cock tbh. to use his own genitalia to insult him
The breast imagary is exactly the same. bringing womens bodies down to the level of insult.
So yes to answer your qustion yes.

dittany · 04/06/2011 10:11

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 12:20

You have played into a right wing agenda well done, I am a female satirist and will be censored too see www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jun/03/cameron-backed-report-commercialisation-childhood

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chibi · 04/06/2011 12:28

These are proposals, they are not law

It isn't censorship, rather age restriction - videos, magazines, websites etc will still be,able to contain sexual content but it will be less available to children

What are your objections to these proposals motherfunster?

AliceWhirled · 04/06/2011 12:31

You'll be censored from using parts of a women's body to insult people? I'm not sure whether that is true but I don't give a flying fuck even if it is. I'm sure you can think of another word to use. If you're a female satirist I'm sure you can come up with some others. There are quite a few words around, and some of them are not sexist.

So if the right end up legislating on things feminists agree with, from a different starting point, we should then abandon what we think. Hmm

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 12:50

Just like Australia where they ?blocked? adult content in a drive similar to this they knocked out wikileaks.Way to go sisterhood.

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chibi · 04/06/2011 12:58

Knocked out wikileaks how? What are you talking about? Do you not need to be coherent to he a satirist? Apols if wrong...

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:03

Wikileaks in adult content block in OZ www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/mar/19/wikileaks-banned-australian-websites

As a woman who has broken into a completely male dominated media I consider my actions to be from a very deeply held feminist ethic. These proposals will result in my work being censored. Fucken great. You will be aware of the satirical cartoon tradition which is vulgar and filled with toilet humour, this is a fail on epic proportions, this is moralising in the guise of feminism.

This will affect freedom of speech.

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:04

That link again www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/mar/19/wikileaks-banned-australian-websites

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:11

Oh yea not to mention all the gay and lesban sites that were knocked out by the OZ 'Adult content' block too.

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chibi · 04/06/2011 13:11

I am really having trouble following you. Does your work currently appear in publications aimed at children? Are your satirical cartoons on their clothes? Do you make satirical videos featuring pop stars gyrating lasciviously to be aired pre-watershed?

None of these proposals appear to have anything to do with satirical cartoons.

If on the other hand your DC-as-tit cartoon was due to grace the next issue of CBeebies magazine, then you have a right to be concerned.

Or not. These proposals carry no legal weight.

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:12

But never mind you get 'nuts' in a brown paper bag, huraa..

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Prolesworth · 04/06/2011 13:13

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Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:15

@chibi I work for a national newspaper on and off that has a average daily circulation of 279,308 copies and can be found lieing around peoples houses.

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chibi · 04/06/2011 13:17

Could you draw a sketch of Swift weeping in Mencken's arms while they contemplate the crap that passes for satire these days? Can it also feature a gurning Hogarth swilling gin? I am happy for any of them to be represented by any body part you deem necessary (in the interests of press freedom and democracy).

Can you work old Tom Lehrer in there too?

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:18

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? Procedures to make it easier for parents to block adult and age restricted material on internet.

The have been trying to put a IPS block on the UK this is the thin edge of wedge

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chibi · 04/06/2011 13:21

Currently any old wank mag can be left lying around people's houses. They are not displayed to children in shops however, and if these proposals were to become law (if if if) neither would lad mags.

What happens to them post purchase is another story, and not a subject of any of these proposals, as far as i can see.

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:24

Dear old Hogarth ripped off a woman Cartoonist who wrote the first book on it, he stated at the time what a lowly art form it was, two years later he was doing it himself. See blog.seattlepi.com/bookpatrol/2010/03/11/the-mother-of-pictorial-satire-or-why-did-yankee-doodle-call-his-hat-macaroni/

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chibi · 04/06/2011 13:24

The measure you cite refers to parents blocking content, presumably internet content available on their home computers to users of said computer.

Or do you think that the government is going to hand over control of the internet to me, chibi, someone's mummy, to block sites from being accessed by any and all uk residents?

Because that's batshit loco.

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:29

It will be deemed too hard for mummys to work it and then 'Daddy' will have to do it for you.

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Riveninside · 04/06/2011 13:30

Why would you use a part of a womans body to insult someone or to represent a bad thing?

Motherfunster · 04/06/2011 13:34

Because he looks like one.As well as osborns dick nose.

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Riveninside · 04/06/2011 13:35

No he doesnt. Breasts are good things. Cant say the same about daves face

chibi · 04/06/2011 13:36

Well, the government has had ages to censor all sorts of explicit sexual material, either print or electronic (i am not referring to any material which shows criminal acts, eg abuse).

This material has been restricted for sale to persons of a certain age. These proposals run along similar lines. I really don't see how this is censorship by the back.door- if the government hasn't done so yet, why would it now? It is no further empowered to do so today than it was 5 years ago, so why is this a real threat?

Prolesworth · 04/06/2011 13:37

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