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Lucy Jones - Horrid column

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pickyourbrain · 27/04/2011 15:52

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/lucyjones/100053061/pmqs-whose-boobs-are-these/

i put this on the thread about David's cock up but thought this gem deserved a thread all of it's own.....

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forkful · 27/04/2011 15:53

The Telegraph need to remove this pronto.

Meglet · 27/04/2011 15:56

That would be piss poor journalism for the Sun.

Pathetic.

KatieMiddleton · 27/04/2011 15:58

Woman has breasts is not news, Lucy. If you check you'll find almost every woman has a pair.

What a prat.

frogs · 27/04/2011 15:58

I think it's mildly funny, actually.

If you choose to show that much cleavage and you sit behind the leader of the Opposition at PMQ, then you must know you're going to be on display, as it were. Occupational hazard.

forkful · 27/04/2011 16:03

frogs - genuine question - do you realise that you are in the feminism section of MN?

Women are constantly judged on what they wear. Neckline too high = prudish/old fashioned. Too low = t*t/s*t.

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pickyourbrain · 27/04/2011 16:04

I would actually think it was pathetic if one of DD's 14 year old male friends made a joke of this in the playground.

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SquirrelChaser · 27/04/2011 16:16

Personally I think it's far nicer looking at those than at Ed Milipede's mug. And, if I were lucky enough to have decent looking cleavage, I'm not sure I'd mind having attention drawn to it. Unless I were seriously failing in the SOH department.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 27/04/2011 16:17

This is ridiculous - if she was wearing a polythene sheet or nipple tassles maybe that would be newsworthy, but this is perfectly ordinary workwear for women. Who cares if a bit of cleavage on show? In our society clothes are often cut to reveal cleavage.

Get over it, adolescents.

DontdoitKatie · 27/04/2011 16:24

Yay, sexism!

frogs · 27/04/2011 16:58

I don't care about her cleavage one way or t'other. I'm simply saying that given her clothing choices, and where she was sitting, she was obviously choosing to put her norkage on display. Showing that much cleavage is not a neutral clothing choice, any more than a bloke wearing such tight trousers that you can see the outline of the contents of his boxers. My norkage is at least as fine as hers, so it's not sour grapes. But I would be inclined not to wear that low a neckline in a work context, because I know that many people are inclined to find it distracting, and I would rather they were concentrating on my work attributes than on my bosom, lovely though it undoubtedly is.

The journo was simply making a mildly flippant comment on the amount of boobage on display. It wasn't some male commentator saying, "OMG we have MPs with breasts, what is the world coming to?"

mathanxiety · 27/04/2011 17:08

This sounds like something my mum would write. Forget the weighty questions or whatever important was being discussed. The world/economy/environment is going down the toilet because of women's fashion choices according to her.

It's flippant comments by other women that keep us back, trivialise us and keep us on the margins. Women should stop taking strips off each other and focus on what's important.

aliceliddell · 27/04/2011 18:22

Squirrel - that's not very original. If you want to justify men's sexism try something other than 'envy' and competitive body/looks comparisons. Pandering to male ego is unnecessary and unhelpful.

StewieGriffinsMom · 27/04/2011 19:18

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AliceWorld · 27/04/2011 20:10

House of Commons, hugely sexist institution, coming up against it all the time but trying to work in that environment anyway, and then you get reminded that you are just a thing to be ogled and ridiculed. That's the context.

WhiteBumOfTheMountain · 27/04/2011 20:17

What about the whole "Terry Wogan's Cock" joke on MN? Is that disgusting too? Looking at a pic of his crotch and sniggering?

Or is it just becaus this woman is in politics ather than entertainment?

AliceWorld · 27/04/2011 20:20

Never seen it. Wouldn't be particularly interested in laughing at any pictures for the sake of it. But unless Terry Wogan works in a female dominated industry in a female dominated world and comes up against institutional sexism on a daily basis, I'd say it's not the same.

WhiteBumOfTheMountain · 27/04/2011 20:27

Why not? He's in front of a large mixed audiece all the time? That woman has chosen to show her cleavage....her choice, if she had been a man with a large penis visible through his trousers, then he would have garnered coverage just like the Terry Wogans cock meme.

SquirrelChaser · 27/04/2011 20:33

Aliceliddel, considering that this article was written by a woman, I think your comment is sexist.

InmaculadaConcepcion · 27/04/2011 20:37

It matters because unlike the majority of men, women are constantly judged and undermined because of their appearance. This is yet another example of that.
That this rubbish should be published on the same day as David Cameron's "Calm down, Dear" says a lot about how far women have not come in terms of being viewed as equal to men.

WhiteBumOfTheMountain · 27/04/2011 20:40

these could even things out in the world soon enough

I wonder if any men would be brave enough to wear them?

forkful · 27/04/2011 20:56

WhiteBumOfTheMountain The Terry Wogan thing is individuals representing themselves having a joke amongst themselves. Personally, no it's not something I would get involved with.

However for someone representing a national newspaper to post this story on their blog is quite quite different.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 27/04/2011 23:08

Oh don't be ludicrous SquirrelChaser. Criticising an article written by a woman is not sexist, unless you have chosen to criticise it because she is a woman. Criticising an article for being absolute shite is perfectly fair.

HRHUrsulaBuffay · 27/04/2011 23:12

It's all a bit Carry On today isn't it?

nooka · 28/04/2011 05:41

The only redeeming thing about that piece is the response. I expect that the writer was expecting to get some sniggers back.

The Telegraph was always pretty crap (tabloid in a broadsheet form really) but this is quite pathetic.

madwomanintheattic · 28/04/2011 05:54

i'm quite fond of the poor wee schoolchild with an a* english gcse and not a correct spelling in fifteen comments though. bless.

but which one of you is 'meh'?
'fess up.