Judge says 13 year old girl seduced man online

[sethstarkaddersmackerel]

Daily Mail link

fgs. I thought you had to be intelligent to be a judge. Don't they at least give them basic training?

judge should be sacked.

in a thread about a 13 year old victim of abuse, you decide to start banging on about girls seducing older men and showing off about it.
you are focusing on the girls' behaviour rather than abusers'. And then you profess to wonder why abusers get such light punishments.

words fail me.

Mumble, can I just ask what procedure is followed, when a teacher finds out a 12 year old has been raped?

Mumble, IIRC your posts didn't mention the fact that this man was clearly looking at child porn - ie photos involving young children. There is no doubt whatsoever that this man is out to abuse children. So though your point about some young teens looking older/ trying to seduce men may be true, in the context of this news story it is irrelevant.

I'm off to bed. night all.

Procedure - report to child protection officer at school. The end.

LOLOL at your facebook friends thinking we are loons.

We'd better all get ourselves to counselling then as your FB friends are the arbiters of who is a loon and who isn't.

Your first post on this thread, implied that poor "chaps" - chaps you called them, not a neutral word, it's a positive word about a man, can be misled by manipulative children, into accidentally fucking those children.

Are you really so totally unaware of the victim blaming culture that we live in, that you can come onto a thread in the feminist section of MN shouting your mouth off about children looking old and poor chaps - ie rapists - about getting into trouble as the consequence of their illegal actions, without getting a seriously negative response?

Let me refresh your memory:

"There are also 13 year old girls who totally get off on seducing older men as it makes them feel powerful and also they know they can get chaps into trouble."

Do you honestly not understand how that would be read as a victim-blaming statement? Are you genuinely surprised by how that was received as shit (in my words)? Seriously? Because if you are going to claim that you are, then either you are shit-stirring liar, or you really desperately need to do some research about victim blaming in our rape culture.

I did ask several times if he was charged over the sexual images, there are soooooooo many comment son this thread that are irrellevant Speedy!!!

I also expressed several times I was apalled by this chap as asked what had happened. This was ignored.

Night [may i go to bed without it being implied my lip was out or somthing....]

Good idea Seth, I'm off to bed too am not losing any more sleep for tonight.

accidentally fucking children - your conclusion not mine!!!

My opinion on somme 13 year olds is not a generalised statement about all rape victims.

Did you read the two commetns before mine? I think i'll research what feminism means now. Not what I expected these forums to be. The 'what statement shall I sew on my femenist sampler....hmmmmm fuck the patriarchs...' was vaguly amusing. what sexims have you seen today...

Soooooo negative. Not something i;d expose my daughter to. So I guess we're even. You;d keep away from my school [you can even google it... big deal[ and I';ll keep my impresionable daughter away from the shit you post.

Does the child protection officer share your view that

'There are also 13 year old girls who totally get off on seducing older men as it makes them feel powerful and also they know they can get chaps into trouble'

I wonder?

So you're going to keep your DD away from feminism.

And are you going to tell her not to manipulate poor helpless men into fucking her when she's 13? Let her know that she's responsible for the predatory behaviour of adult males when they target her?

Let's hope she finds feminism independently of you then.

"Keep DD away from feminism."

Hmmmm. Is that what you heard when I wrote I was keeping her away fromm these threads? Is that how important you all are. Wow. I;m in such awe.

Yes I will guide her to the fact that the was she behaves can effect her safety. I don;t remember anybody telling Charlie the cat that him telling kids to keep away from strangers is victim loving.

As I said, I am re visiting this term feminism - I looked on dictionary.com and it came up with what i believe: that women should be treated equally in their pportunities in life and should at the same time have their rights protected. It concerns me that your vewis completly focus on young females being raped by older men. No mention of young boys or older women.

I called our child protection officer at work today - I help her do training and we get on very well. She is extremelly qualified and gave me the time to read and exmplain my comments. She suggested I had been misunderstood. She agreeed that some young females dress in an inaporpirately sexualised way and confirmed occasions in other places she has work where under 16s (male and female) had bragged about having sex [still can;t believe you think this so unbelievable......] And that possibly you think that I somehow agree or am pleased with the behaviour of the children or adults involved. Its tricky as perhaps in not wanting to disclose more, obviously, its diffiuclt to explain my experiences.

Also. Chap is informal not positive. Also. I really don;t recall shouting. You presume such a lot.

I would't be sacked in Canada. You have just painted an odd twisted picture of me from a few words on a forum. Mumsnet have emailed me back apologising for how I've been treated on here and removed my name for me.

I didn;t reference my students.

That is your misunderstanding. You have no idea what job I did then, when it was, and have absolutely no way of identifying the children, the school, the individual circumstance from my name, address, phone number, place of work, emplyment number, online CV which is easy to find - no way at all. I made that judgement when i typed and stand by it.

Its also a common occurance.

"She agreeed that some young females dress in an inaporpirately sexualised way and confirmed occasions in other places she has work where under 16s (male and female) had bragged about having sex [still can;t believe you think this so unbelievable......]"

I have been a teacher for 10 years and have worked in mainstream, PRUs and EBD schools. Believe it or not, I have heard teenagers bragging about having sex.

What I have not done is then go onto an internet forum, named myself, given details of a CP case involving a looked after child and stated that some 13 yr olds seduce older men on a thread about a child being groomed on the internet.

You must understand the difference. You shouldn't need to call the CP officer on this one- it's textbook.

mumble, as a secondary school teacher you should also know the difference between write/right and affect/effect

I would love to know what MNTowers said in their apology.

"Yes I will guide her to the fact that the was she behaves can effect her safety."

Actually the only thing that will affect (not effect) her safety, is if she is in the same space as someone who wishes her harm. Of course if we wave our mobile phones around, then leave them on the table while we go to the bar, they may get stolen, but in the end it is the fault of the thief who takes the mobile phone - they will only get stolen if a thief is present in the room. Similarly, it doesn't matter how a woman behaves, she will only get raped if there is a rapist in the room. It is very important that you stress that to your DD, otherwise if she does get raped or sexually assaulted (and she has a 1 in 4 chance of being so), like most victims, she will blame herself rather than placing the blame where it lies - with the perpetrator.

"It concerns me that your vewis completly focus on young females being raped by older men. No mention of young boys or older women." WTF are you on about? This thread is specifically about a young girl and older man, that's why the focus is on them.

"under 16s (male and female) had bragged about having sex [still can;t believe you think this so unbelievable......]|"

Where has anyone said they don't believe this happens? Why are you addressing arguments no one has made, why don't you adress the questions that were put to you (several times) about the obsession you have with the behaviour of the victim, instead of worrying about that of the perpetrator.

"Chap is informal not positive". I disagree. No one would say: " He's a really nasty chap". Chap is a positive word, I have never heard it used to describe a nasty man. Guy, bloke, man- all of those are neutral and can be prefixed by negative or positive adjectives, but chap - nah.

You chaps are really nasty.

Works for me