2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

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The best anti-porn evidence I've seen.

(Please watch with caution, some scenes are upsetting)

I don't think making films of rape and prostitution should be celebrated in any way.

'Deep Throat' played a role in moving the filmed degradation and abuse of women into the mainstream.

God, no, neither do I. I was just pointing out the fact that they didn't say it was a good film, merely that it opened a door. As the artlcle says, the reason for inclusion on this list is that "their influence is still felt".

Even amongst people who never watch porn, if you asked them to name one film, I reckon they'd either say "deep throat" or "debbie does dallas"

I find it very disturbing that a porn film would be included in this category of mainstream influential films.

Ok, made myself watch the documentary. Just one word at the moment as a reaction - predation.

The predatory nature of the men in the film is very very obvious and very disturbing. You can see it in them physically and most of them admit it in one way or another.

I hope that poor woman is doing ok now. I wish all the men in the film were in jail.

Max Hardcore is particularly notorious, the insistance in starring in all his own films ,the manner of the costumes the girls wear got him into trouble before pissing, choking women until the throw up there are vids on youtube describing his rapes and stuff so as a producer he is considered shocking for the porn industry.and of course the rape etc.

I wonder what creates a man like that. Anyway

Andre, I missed your posts before.I'm wondering what part of that you describe as love?? Like I said earlier she may be a 25 year old woman but mentally and emotionally shes about 15/16 and doesn't look much older tbh. Any real man would find a childish,vulnerable woman with lowered boundaries offputting because It wouldn't feel right to exploit that. Max Hardcore seemed to like that aspect of her and richard & so on

Do actually think what he did was right??

interesting article also here

I think the title 'Devil in the Flesh' says it all really...

If Ron Jeremy doesnt like that must say something

The last director of abuse porn featured in rhe documentary, the one who refused to show his face on film (because in his other life he was a "pillar of the community" ) described what he was doing as "romantic" and depicting "romance"

ffs

Maybe that's where the creepy Andre gets his ideas from..

obviously my name was just too ambiguous for the likes of mr andre, if mine should denote what he thinks i am then his should too, (and i have a few suggestions.)

i have to confess i never saw anything wrong in the use of porn, until i realised the extremes that are now mainstream and i watched this documentary. How can anyone in their right mind even try to justify this type of abuse writing it off as depicting love? its not depicting anything but control and humiliation and that apparently gets some men off? but dressing it up as an act of 'love' makes it ok then obviously in some mens minds, maybe makes knowing what they are doing and getting their kicks from a less bitter pill to swallow.

has porn changed? whenever i thought of porn i thought of playboy and the likes...was that just as bad?

Vic, only my opinion, but I do believe that the normalisation of porn in mainstream society (think Rihanna and Katy Perry for the youngsters...) over the last couple of decades has meant that the boundaries have been pushed further and further back

Young men and young women now grow up thinking they have to aspire to the expectations of a sexualised and pornified society and I find it very, very sobering

btw for anyone still reading this thread and struggling to put their finger on why Andre's pronouncements are so unsettling, it is because he is echoing the phraseology of the true paedophile

HTH

Rihanna is quite a good example of the normalisation of the abuse of women in mainstream media. Her lyrics are sexually explicit as well as glorifying violence, her videos promote violence as sexy, everything about her recent appearance is pushing sex and violence. And her fan base is young. Great.

msr, I recently heard of an interview that she gave where she talked about her sex life and her masochistic tendencies

she even went into detail about how she preferred men to "use their hands" rather than whips and chains (as detailed and glorified in her lovely latest single, S+M)

this is a young woman that teenage girls idolise

I despair, truly

If some women like s&m, rough sex, whatever....is it because they actually like it or because men say they should like it?

Dittany, I get that Rihanna is just a puppet, but she has a brain

Her greed for fame and money has sadly allowed her to let what should be a decent moral compass slide off the scale. Perhaps one day she will get it, but probably not while she is laughing all the way to bank. Maybe it may click that Jay Z is earning millions more out of her betraying her sex, who knows ?

Beyonce is no better, either, you are right however at least she hasn't stooped to yapping to the world about how she likes her big ol' booty slapped (yet, and AFAIK)

Don't even get me started on Eminem < disappears in puff of righteous anger >

Madonna did the whole sexy/raunchy image. Not sure I'd say she was a puppet!!

K999, I am not speaking here for mature women who know what they like/don't like

I am speaking about the influences on young people who are still trying to work out their sexuality, and their sexual tastes

Those influences are increasingly damaging, and increasingly in-your-face, IMO

you turn the tv on, or go to the Dr's waiting room with your little tot (as detailed on MN a couple of weeks ago) to be faced with the likes of Rihanna regaling us with how she loves the smell of sex in the air, how whips and chains excite her and strutting around dressed like a hooker

as a mature woman who no longer feels the need to fit in with her peers, I can handle it

my children, and everyone else's, cannot, and should not have to

Isn't put a ring on it about commiting to a woman you love rather than just being in the 'girlfriend zone' for years and not showing much commitment

erm not sure Madonna didn't walk around like a hooker for most of her career.....but no doubt someone will say how she was the Rhiana of her time ...

putting "it" in a song and saying "if you like, put a ring on it " is misguided to say the very least

and an example of how so much misogyny just passes over many people's radars, because it is so insidious, pervasive, and so normalised

true I never saw it like that

"put a ring on it" could mean "finger" ....not sure you would describe a finger as him/her.....least thats what I think it could mean....

Is anyone saying Madonna didn't walk round like a hooker? Is anyone saying the way Madonna performed is more acceptable?? I don't understand your fixation on fucking Madonna! She's no feminist hero!

thats never how i read it K999

peterandreforpm....you said what i was thinking, i was just watching my words, but i had already thought sex offender of some description.