2001 channel 4 documentary on porn

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The best anti-porn evidence I've seen.

(Please watch with caution, some scenes are upsetting)

So he went to prison for it?

sadly in that circle its probs increased his notoriety

Oh, interesting X post.

The men did NOT know better than her about her limits. They just ignoreed her, did it anyway and broke her down. They knew it would happen so had clearly done it before. It was about pushing the vulnerable one around and bullying her and dominating her. They did not know better than her.

An awful moment in this is when she says she feels happy that she has the documentary crew there because it makes her feel secure. Can you imagine how vulnerable and alone these girls are during this slow, slow process of breaking them down.

Bastards.

I have read about this film but I don't think I can bring myself to watch it. Pathetic I know. I suspect it should be required viewing for anyone who defends porn however.

I see Andre is back with his pompous and creepy twaddle. This time his posts do seem to be showing some really nasty true colours that he had managed to just about keep under wraps up until now. Don't address me BTW Andre, I already asked you not to, on a thread where you accused me of being on the same level as men who abuse prostituted women, because I voiced my objections to the institution of prostitution. (We have a theme don't we with the threads he pops up on with his women hating waffle - porn, prostitution, sex tourism? Nice.)

Andre is disgustingly creepy. It's awful to think that there are people like that out there, and even worse to think that he's a parent. i hope he's lying about that.

I distinctly remember the Ch. 4 series on porn, but I don't know if it was this one (it must have been in about 2004) which I watched with my flat mate. Previously, she thought porn was funny, amusing, until there was a documentary about a Canadian girl who went to work in the industry in LA, and contracted HIV in the first movie she did. My flat mate know longer thought of porn as a joke after that.

And re: porn and love. There's no connection, none whatsoever.

Andre's talk of his daughter is reminding me of a thread in which people talked about their dads using porn and how it has damaged their relationship with them and destroyed their respect for them as a father.

porn-using men are kidding themselves if they think they can maintain a good relationship with a daughter while abusing women through porn.

I just finished watching it and it was every bit as disturbing as I remember it when I saw it first. To think the industry has got even MORE extreme that this in 10 yrs is also worrying to note. The things that seemed extreme and abusive for her then; anal sex, hair pulling, are the absolute norm now.

That thing about fathers - don't forget Belle du Jour/Brooke M (?) was introduced to her father's 'escorts' as a kid. Her later career was a free choice, though....(!) Loving the libertarians with thei tireless fight for freedom.It's been an unalloyed triumph

I hope more people get to see it. There has been so little work on the disgusting and exploitative nature of the porn industry. It is all a bit joke on a hoot with the empowered belle de jour fantasy which has worked in affecting young peoples perceptions.

Big joke and a hoot

I support porn but I despise Max Hardcore. Like all things, the porn industry isn't all the same. Saying this documentary (which I watched and found sickening) is representative of all porn is like saying the extreme Christians Lois Theroux visited are representative of all Christians.

No, he really isn't. What porn charts are you referring to? Not all modern porn is abusive to women, some is. But then some is abusive to men to (Men in Pain for example). Gay male porn makes up over half of all porn and doesn't feature women at all.

just googled porn chart. Not sure whether to be happy or disturbed that top 3 hits were sites dedicated to charts and fanatics thereof - i.e. chart porn

charts largely relate to US government expenditure and tax rates- racy stuff!

'Men In Pain' sounds utterly foul too from a glance at the website.

Not sure how men being treated badly on film somehow justifies women being treated badly on film.

Anyway - we all know that porn does not happen within a social and political vacuum, so men/women comparisons are pretty unhelpful really.

I don't believe gay male porn is equivalent to straight porn. Where have you got the statistic from that most porn is gay porn? I have not heard the proportion of gay to straight porn being lower than 1:30. There is far more discussion, debate and exposure of problematic production companies within the gay community, despite them actually having a genuine reason to believe that such debate could be used to limit their sexual identity outside of porn use, which straight men don't have to worry about.

The issue of Eastern European twink porn being hugely exploitative has been widely debated within the gay community, with people looking at ways of addressing that, despite the content of the porn itself being vanilla and not particularly controversial.

It is a complete red herring to attempt to get feminists to deal with the problems in gay male porn, when it is already being addressed better by the gay community than straight porn is being dealt with by its users. Straight porn is obviously a bigger problem, both numerically and in terms of a refusal by its users to even vaguely address the ethical issues beyond a handful of people.

'Not sure how men being treated badly on film somehow justifies women being treated badly on film.'

I didn't say it justified it, just that it exists. Both are at the extreme end of pornography and not representative of mainstream porn.

But mainstream porn has become more and more extreme in recent times. Stuff that was considered hardcore before, is mainstream now. Stuff that would have been considered unacceptable is considered hardcore now.

Where will it end? What will the porn users of tomorrow require in order to get their rocks off?

What about this?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5410268.stm

Linda Lovelace was raped during this film - and yet you can't get much more mainstream than being listed as a 'landmark film' (excuse me while I vomit at this notion for a porn film).

Beachcomber- to be fair, the criteria was films that "moved the goalposts" rather than were "good films", and in a way. "Deep Throat" did move the goalposts, in an extremely disturbing way.