I've got quite a simple question that I just can't answer - why would a woman not be a feminist?

[MarionCole]

Surely everyone wants equality of opportunity, don't they?

Would appreciate the opinions of those feminists far wiser than I.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/953058-Why-some-women-don-39-t-identify-with-feminism

Is one of the threads where you will find mothers that have been made to feel like they aren't feminist or are against feminism because they are sahp. I am not lying I have seen mothers come on here and say this. I stopped posting thread links though because I was told to because it was not fair on the people posting in the threads.

With regards to debating I do not debate on a thread made for/by victims where they are on the forums and where it could be insensitive to the victim.

Now, now Lenin. Feminists aren't supposed to be funny.

I heard it was Venus. And that's why they gave that name to the razors. Tis a conspiracy.

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That's what I heard.

I don't care if you don't listen to me because at the end of the day this is why people aren't joining feminism and they will judge you and feminism on what you say and how you treat your fellow human beings. Why even ask the question if you aren't going to listen to the very people you are enquiring about? The way I was treated was disgraceful and people will see that and think to themselves do I really want to be part of insulting and mocking people?

I think it is more because I am a man because I have yet to see you calling any woman a twat for what they believe even when it is stronger than what I have said but only you will know whether or not you were doing the very thing you are trying to fight against.

I have listened to what you have said and replied but I simply do not agree with you and that is why I stuck to my opinion which I believe to be correct. I would suggest that is you that has not listened to me or even contemplated what I said none of you commented on what happened to Erin Pizzey at all. Your intention right from the start was to have an argument with me. You asked what bad things I pointed some out and you continued to argue with me.

Hi OMG. I did have a quick peek at the Erin Pizzey article you provided a link to on Wikki. I am aware (although I would like to find out more - Dittany and others might know more) that there was a debate in the movement over this issue. The reason I need to find out more is that the Wikki article looked a bit unbalanced. Lotos of the referneces and links seem to be about 'what Pizzey said'.

But that is rather beside the point. There are debates in every healthy functioning poltitical movmement - even the Conservative Party. Lack of debate, I think, tends to be unhealthy. But, for some reasons, when there is debate in feminism, it seems to be treated in a much more negative way.....,,>

I am a SAHM and I think I was on that thread you linked and I'd be quite cross if I thought I was being cited in your 'argument'. I was posting as someone who was new to this part of MN and, for the record, I have never found regular posters here anything but well-informed, supportive, patient and funny.

I really like spending time in the company of like-minded, humourous irreverent women and things I discuss here change some of the ways I behave IRL for the better. It's like knowing there are people to back you up.

I don't really understand what would lead someone to spend time on a website where they didn't agree with the ethos or the majority of posters. I think that is a very odd choice. Perhaps you have your reasons but perhaps you should examine them a bit more closely and see what is lacking that this seems like an appealing choice?

Surprisingly I agree with a lot of things on here some things I agree with wholeheartedly some in a different train of thought others I don't. I enjoy coming on here and giving my view (sometimes controversial and not the view of everyone else) I also enjoy trying to broaden my own horizons with the view of others. Sometimes I change my view sometimes I don't. I also have to say that some of my posts that are not the opinion of others and/or controversial people do actually agree with me sometimes once they think about it.

Omg apologies for the mocking, but really, it can be very frustrating trying to engage with you sometimes. Nobody on here expects you to agree with everything. But one of the strengths of the board is the quality of many of the arguments that get put forward. It's an opportunity to learn.

When you put forward your opinion, other people sometimes disagree and give reasons for it or ask you to clarify why you hold the opinion you do. Now, maybe unintentionally, you have a tendency to do so by simply repeating your original statement (more or less) or using hearsay or a third hand quote to back it up.

Other posters are not expecting you to change your mind and agree with what they say, but to show you have at least fully considered the points they have put to you would give some meaning to the debate, which otherwise becomes circular very quickly. After a while, it feels like speaking to a brick wall and not surprisingly, people get annoyed and react accordingly.

Your being male has nothing to do with it. David51 and MrIC don't get mocked or called twats - but they usually add to the discussion rather than trap it in a dead end.

Anyway. No hard feelings, I hope.

Jasmine- My father is Arabic. I was born and raised in an Arabic country (with Arabic being my first language) my mother is British. (I now live in Britain, and have done for a while). I have first hand experience on the Islamic way of life.

There are many changes happening in these (North Africa/Middle Eastern) countries, and there are many women working hard in order to make these changes. Don't dismiss the feminist movement because directly outside your window you can't see how it benefits you. Changes are happening, but they are happening slowly. A defeatists' attitude isn't going to make them happen any quicker though.

That confused me more than the post