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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

is there a new cognitive dissonance thread?

577 replies

kickassangel · 27/09/2010 13:35

if so, please link, i can't find it.

if not, i'd like to add some things

using personal experience to prove a point is not a great argument. we have to start with the bigger picture, then see personal experiences as a case study which exemplifies, but does not prove a point.

i'm not even sure that i view myself as a feminist. i view myself as someone who believes in equality (not just on male/female issues). the generalisations about feminism being a religion i find offensive, as they both ignore the patriarchal society we live in (and this assertion can be backed up by endless statistics & experiences), and assume that one particular viewpoint is religious.

is marxism a religion? what about other schools of thought?

feminism is a broad range of thought, and there will be changes and shifts within the arguments, just as there are in other sociological concepts. and there will be women who abuse, just as there are men who do so.

however, look at the structure of society, and it is impossible to say that it isn't patriarchal. just look at the possession of wealth, the media representation of people, the male/female ration in positions of power.

if it was as simple as some women 'not bothering' to push themselves forward, there would still be enough women to fill 50% of all key positions in society, and to hold 50% of the wealth, but that isn't what happens. so, it sin't due to a lack of women exerting themselves, it is due to the inherent sexism within society.

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wastingaway · 28/09/2010 21:28

I didn't get caught up on the first thread. Some massive bollocks kept swinging into view. Wink

I can report that I personally have stopped worrying about the housework so much. Smile

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 28/09/2010 21:30

Have literally just cried laughing wastingaway.

Can't you get special windscreen wipers for those?

SweetGrapes · 28/09/2010 21:39

Yup, massive bollocks stopped me too...

Dh cooked dinner last night. Not once did he ask me how I liked it - but went on and on about how delicious it all was (it was quite nice). When I cook, I always ask him how it is and sometimes endure lots of crap comments even though I think it's quite yummy actually.

Next time I think it's good, I will be singing praises and not seeking approval...

SweetGrapes · 28/09/2010 21:41

Btw, I am from a different country where sexism and patriarchy is very much the done thing. I was quite shocked when I came here the first time and realised that actually, on the surface it seems equal and all but - dig just a little deeper and all the same attitudes are alive and kicking...

NickOfTime · 28/09/2010 21:48

dh always cooks dinner.

i'd laugh if he asked me if i liked it

wastingaway · 28/09/2010 22:08

Elephants, Grin we could sell them in our Militant Feminist Conspiracy christmas catalogue.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 28/09/2010 22:10

:o - have you seen the other thread?

Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:11

Lenin and Elephants - I am snorting with laughter in a most unladylike fashion.

Wasting, thank you (I think), for the huge swinging bollocks imagery. PMSL.

wastingaway · 28/09/2010 22:12

Elephants, shhhhHHH! Grin

Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:13

Lenin, your entire post of Tue 28-Sep-10 20:31:59 is feminist comedy gold.

I'm still going to be laughing at that on the school run in a weeks time. THANK YOU.

LeninGrad · 28/09/2010 22:23

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Footlong · 28/09/2010 22:26

And this is a brilliant example of a mutual appreciation society, sophistry and cognitive dissonance in action..... Nice!

Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:27

Give us a twirl Lenin!

(if your cognitive dissonance is up to it..)

Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:29

Ach footlong it really is about people having common ground and getting each other.

LeninGrad · 28/09/2010 22:29

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Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:33

Lenin your ability to remain unruffled and on topic in the face of massive swinging bollocks has always been a source of admiration for me.

I get distracted.

LeninGrad · 28/09/2010 22:34

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Beachcomber · 28/09/2010 22:35

Me too.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 28/09/2010 22:42

I love learning about people's lives. And women's lives, not being spoken about much in history and legend, are the most interesting of all.

wastingaway · 28/09/2010 22:47

Interestingly, 'sophistry' originally derived from 'sophists' who were teachers of philosophy.

It's always interesting to look below the surface appearance.

Which I think is what we were talking about? Grin

StayFrosty · 28/09/2010 22:49

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Footlong · 28/09/2010 22:50

Which again is sophistry.

Thanks for making my point for me.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 28/09/2010 22:54

why don't you be kind and educate us some more about sophistry? Could you give us some examples?

Is there anything we could say that isn't sophistry?