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Parenting, vaginas and advice, please.

104 replies

ohmybaby · 12/06/2025 19:49

TW: Body dysmorphia.

Let me preface this with the simple fact that there are a million other things that are so much more important than this. But I could do with some advice on how to handle this.

The short version is my eldest DD (nearly 6) asks me why my vulva is different to hers. My labia minora protrude beyond my labia majora (and have done since puberty - maybe a few cm) and so it does look different. This was something I struggled with hugely as a teen, especially in the early noughties when all the vaginas you ever saw were pornstar ones, Barbie-esque in all their hairless, labia-free glory. I remember mulling over the pros and cons of taking a pair of scissors to them - I was so embarrassed that I would come to my first sexual encounter and that something so private would be seen as ugly.

Fast forward some twenty years and I’m relieved to say I only ever suffered one awful sexual encounter which honestly I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to forget. Thankfully the few other men I slept with didn’t bat an eyelid.

I am relentlessly body positive in front of my kids. I am lucky enough to have two DD and it is absolutely imperative to me that they are body confident. When all else fails, I do my best to channel Jean Milburn in Sex Education (Otis’ mum) who is the pinnacle for me on how to handle this stuff and sort of mirrors my own mum, who was a midwife and practice nurse who more or less laughed me out the room when I tearfully confided in her as a teen that my vagina was repulsive.

This is the third time my eldest has asked why mine is different. I start with saying all bodies are different. I say bodies change as we get older, and aren’t our bodies amazing. I say my vulva is incredible, as I had both of my babies safely because it did such a good job. And then I try and make it funny - look at my tummy button! So different to yours! And look - aren’t your ears different to mine! And I say how wonderful in their differences all bodies are, especially women’s bodies being able to carry babies - cue suffragettes marching, flags waving, feminist battle cries heard from every corner of the globe - but she just looks embarrassed for me and grossed out.

And honestly? A piece of me kinda curls up and dies inside. This isn’t about male approval or being desired or desirable. This is about feeling ashamed of my body in front of my kids, even though I fiercely act as if I’m owning it and proud. But no one ever wants to feel like this. Sometimes I think about getting a labiaplasty, a cosmetic procedure to shorten the labia. In some ways it’d be good - sometimes I’m uncomfortable in certain clothing and underwear. DH thinks I’m crackers and has no idea what the issue is. And ethically I see it as a form of FGM; it can damage nerve endings so that sex is not as pleasurable or even pleasurable at all, which is pretty horrifying.

So here we are, consider me - quite literally - laid bare on my deepest darkest secret. Anyone else out there with a similar experience? Either way - how would you handle it?

OP posts:
AliBaliBee1234 · 12/06/2025 23:41

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 21:19

Yeah walking around a lot naked is different from kids seeing you on the toilet, shower or getting dressed.

It's not really .. in fact i'd probably rather they walked around naked that got in the shower with me. Being naked around older children just isn't for me.

HipHipHi · 12/06/2025 23:51

I haven't much to add other than to say that it sounds like you're handling the situation well. Also, whilst I'm really sorry to hear how you feel about you labia I wanted to say thank you very much for being brave enough to write this thread. I have had similar thoughts growing up and I never appreciated, until this thread, that I'm not as alone as I felt which in itself has been a little bit healing.

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:52

AliBaliBee1234 · 12/06/2025 23:41

It's not really .. in fact i'd probably rather they walked around naked that got in the shower with me. Being naked around older children just isn't for me.

I wasn’t talking about them getting in a shower with me, and wasn’t referring to older children. So wrong on both counts 🤣

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:54

CareerChange24 · 12/06/2025 22:25

Oh my lord. She can’t help it. They are there!

Mine are very visible OP. Very! They’ve never caused me discomfort though and make me extremely sensitive and I wouldn’t want that chopping off. At the end of the day we are only considering labiaplasty because what society has pushed on us as needing to be perfect and the “ideal.” Well Ian Somerhalder was cuter with his sticky out ears. I have a friend, would never tell her, I much preferred her old nose. I have friends whose implants look like bolted on basketballs. Some surgeries look good. Some….you could end up going for a wee and it’s squirting all over the show. You’d want them back then.

Tell your daughter she may look like you one day. And that’s ok!

Exactly! It’s not about opening legs as if having a smear, they are just there when stood up.

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:56

Emonade · 12/06/2025 22:04

But she won’t be naked in front of her teenager. She is naked in front of a very young child. As the child of someone who was very ashamed and embarrassed of their body I went on to have a very shit relationship with my body and could never talk about my body and sex etc and have really suffered as a result, I think the OP is amazing

Perfectly said

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:57

Vivienne1000 · 12/06/2025 21:51

My mum used to walk into my bedroom every morning and she was naked, vulva on display. I found it repulsive, because I didn’t need to see it.
i always asked why she couldn’t wear a dressing gown to wake me up. So when i had my own children I covered up and we all respect privacy.
Name me one teenager who wants to see all her mothers bits and bobs…..

Who is talking about teenagers and walking into someones bedroom naked every day..

AliBaliBee1234 · 13/06/2025 06:31

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:52

I wasn’t talking about them getting in a shower with me, and wasn’t referring to older children. So wrong on both counts 🤣

I think you need to read everything again ..

The child is 6 and this is happening in the shower .... we're talking about the OP not you

AliBaliBee1234 · 13/06/2025 06:33

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2025 23:57

Who is talking about teenagers and walking into someones bedroom naked every day..

The child is 6, that is not very young. 6 is old enough to have a memory of this.

Bedroom or shower. What's the difference?

ohmybaby · 13/06/2025 06:56

Morning ladies, I have to say I woke up feeling a bit sick - after so many PP got the wrong end of the stick yesterday I wished I hadn’t posted at all. But there are so many of you with similar experiences, who have met my story with kindness and compassion and just bloody good sense. I really appreciate it and as someone else said - it’s healing to find others in similar situations and remove the shame.

As with all things parenting advice, I’m going to soak up the good, leave the stuff that doesn’t work for my parenting style, and thank you for your support.

Re. Counselling - not a bad shout. Had a tough 6 months (truth be told since pandemic) but just in 2025 - dad stroke, mum chemo, me breast lump then early miscarriage in that order. So think I might be in a sensitive place as it is. But not really relevant in the grand scheme of this post, just having a moan now. Have a good weekend all.

OP posts:
Fancyteacup · 13/06/2025 06:56

If she can describe your private parts in that great detail, I’d be worried she’d say something at school and next thing you know, social services referral for safeguarding!

ohmybaby · 13/06/2025 07:13

Fancyteacup · 13/06/2025 06:56

If she can describe your private parts in that great detail, I’d be worried she’d say something at school and next thing you know, social services referral for safeguarding!

And I would say to them exactly what I’ve said here. Please read the post - she cannot describe my privates in detail, does not know the term “labia” and would only say “my mummy’s ninny is different to mine” well - what’s the conversation? Because as so many have rightly pointed out, when you go through puberty it does change, even if it’s just hair for some and more for others.

I genuinely would not have any concern there because I am not and would never be a risk to my children. Only someone worried about that would have something to hide.

OP posts:
cheesycheesy · 13/06/2025 07:13

Emonade · 12/06/2025 22:04

But she won’t be naked in front of her teenager. She is naked in front of a very young child. As the child of someone who was very ashamed and embarrassed of their body I went on to have a very shit relationship with my body and could never talk about my body and sex etc and have really suffered as a result, I think the OP is amazing

I doubt you have hang ups just because you didn’t see your mums minge growing up.

Mischance · 13/06/2025 07:42

Here's a cautionary tale! When my OH was a young house doc on gynae rotation he was in theatre one day and the patient on the table was there to have her labia minor reduced cos she thought they were too big. Consultant handed OH a pair of scissors and told him to do it. OH tentatively snipped a bit off and the consultant bellowed ... don't tinker, have a good hack!
He came home slightly green!

Mischance · 13/06/2025 07:43

.... so hang on to what you have and be proud! ....

LoveNRoses · 13/06/2025 07:52

It’s perfectly acceptable for young kids to see naked parents. It’s odd to be so shameful for bodies to cover up when they’re so little.

and if the OP’s labia is the way she describes then it’s understandable why it would be noticeable and it’s good for girls to see different bodies so they know they come in different shapes and sizes. So it’s not weird OP and the prudes saying it is are bonkers.

to the issue - I would cuvée up for now so she doesn’t make you feel worse. And if you want to see a consultant about an op then do that and make your decision. Life is too short to be unhappy. But do bear in mind what the PP said about menopause and it shrivelling up anyway!

Emonade · 13/06/2025 08:05

cheesycheesy · 13/06/2025 07:13

I doubt you have hang ups just because you didn’t see your mums minge growing up.

Is that what I’ve said or what is the point of this post? What an unpleasant thing to say

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 13/06/2025 08:06

I don’t understand the point of your OP.

  1. you feel your genitalia look different
  2. you walk around naked in front of your DC and proclaim how proud you are of your body
  3. Have your DC ever given you reason to think there’s something strange about your genitalia?
  4. you want other MN users to tell similar stories

Why are you using your DC as a prop to bolster your self esteem and confidence about your genitalia? Why do you impose this on them?
Why make an issue of your own body and genitalia in front of them?

I find your post very strange indeed particularly asking other people here to tell their own stories. I’m wondering if others agree with me.

Emonade · 13/06/2025 08:07

ohmybaby · 13/06/2025 07:13

And I would say to them exactly what I’ve said here. Please read the post - she cannot describe my privates in detail, does not know the term “labia” and would only say “my mummy’s ninny is different to mine” well - what’s the conversation? Because as so many have rightly pointed out, when you go through puberty it does change, even if it’s just hair for some and more for others.

I genuinely would not have any concern there because I am not and would never be a risk to my children. Only someone worried about that would have something to hide.

Ignore the knobheads. It sounds like you’ve had a really tough time and are doing amazingly as a mum, I hope you have a good weekend and remember mumsnet is full of people lacking any empathy

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 13/06/2025 08:14

gamerchick · 12/06/2025 21:24

Always surprises me how people are so eager to describe their fannys to a random stranger on the internet because someone posts about it.

Edited

My thoughts exactly

scoobysnaxx · 13/06/2025 08:23

TryForSpring · 12/06/2025 20:14

And ethically I see it as a form of FGM

What a ridiculous and disrespectful statement. Choosing surgery, as an adult, for an issue that causes you physical discomfort, and is presumably significantly outside the average distribution of labia minora size, is in no way comparable to FGM.

This. Shocking claim.
I really sympathise with your post OP.
Its awful feeling shame for a part of you body. It must be really awful.
But this is a ridiculous and very ignorant comparison.
There is absolutely no comparison here.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 13/06/2025 08:30

MummaMummaMumma · 12/06/2025 20:43

I'm really surprised by all the comments about why she's seen you naked, I didn't know most families don't do this.
My kids see me naked most days... On the toilet, in the shower, getting changed etc and my daughter has asked me exact same question as you. I told her everyone's body is different, and that they change as you get older. No big deal.

I agree. My kid just follows me everywhere and I think it would be weirder to send a message that naked women can't be seen than to let her see me whilst I am getting dressed or showering.

I also agree that some posters appear to be imagining the OP exhibiting herself to her kid deliberately when her point is that her labia minora are and always have been visible. That's just how she's built and it's sad that women's bodies are so taboo that we aren't aware of our own variety! The Wall of Vulva should be required viewing for all women imo

Calliopespa · 13/06/2025 08:39

ohmybaby · 12/06/2025 20:28

To address comments - we don’t have a bath and I get in to shower the kids as it’s quicker/easier/safer to do so. I could put on a swimming costume - but it seems weird in my own home in front of my own kids when I want them to be cool with their bodies.

I feel the FGM aspect has been misconstrued and is unfair out of context, so let me be absolutely clear. I would never mean any disrespect to victims of FGM; the trend for labiaplasty is more often attributed to the porn industry and a trend for “designer vaginas” rather than discomfort, which I’d hoped - as I outlined in my OP - that as an advocate for body positivity, doesn’t fit with me ethically and makes me question whether I could go through with the procedure when the effects of that procedure can mirror those of some levels of FGM. Which in and of itself feels vain and disrespectful to the victims of something so horrific.

I apologise if I offended anyone - I came here with a genuine question. Grateful to those who responded with kindness and compassion.

Don’t feel bad about any of this op.

You’ve shared something personal and don’t need to be chastised or criticised.

Personally I think I would deal with it by stopping the communal showering - but there’s nothing wrong if you want to continue. It just seems to me as though it’s getting your head back in a space you worked hard to exit years ago. Your DH is happy with your appearance and it’s perfectly reasonable if you limit your “ vulval social circle “ to just you and him. Noone else needs to see them henceforth except the occasional medical person. If you’re both happy, keep your privates shielded from criticism. There are lots of ways to teach your DS’s body positivity without subjecting yourself to regular scrutiny.

scoobysnaxx · 13/06/2025 08:40

Ottersmith · 12/06/2025 22:07

How is it out of the average size? They come in all shapes and sizes. Women being pressured by society (and people like you saying is significantly outside average) to cut of their labia is a problem and literally is FGM.

What the actual fuck?

You Need to do some serious research into the inhumane practices and sheer volume of PTSD around FGM.

We have had to build specific psychological services in the UK to help people with the aftermath of FGM.

THE most ignorant comment I’ve ever read on all my years on mumsnet by a country mile!!!!

lightnesspixie · 13/06/2025 08:41

Just yeah wondering why your kids get a constant front row seat to your labia 🙄

Calliopespa · 13/06/2025 08:48

ohmybaby · 13/06/2025 06:56

Morning ladies, I have to say I woke up feeling a bit sick - after so many PP got the wrong end of the stick yesterday I wished I hadn’t posted at all. But there are so many of you with similar experiences, who have met my story with kindness and compassion and just bloody good sense. I really appreciate it and as someone else said - it’s healing to find others in similar situations and remove the shame.

As with all things parenting advice, I’m going to soak up the good, leave the stuff that doesn’t work for my parenting style, and thank you for your support.

Re. Counselling - not a bad shout. Had a tough 6 months (truth be told since pandemic) but just in 2025 - dad stroke, mum chemo, me breast lump then early miscarriage in that order. So think I might be in a sensitive place as it is. But not really relevant in the grand scheme of this post, just having a moan now. Have a good weekend all.

Please don’t feel sick op.

Some posters have said you have really helped them.

I just think it’s time to be kind to yourself.

You are being a great mum but I’m not sure your dd is necessarily responding to the nakedness the way you would have envisaged - and that’s her genuine and honest response. I’d create a little bubble with you and DH who are at ease and appreciative of your appearance and just work on other methods of body positivity with DD. You don’t need to change yourself or your appearance.

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