I’ve gone non UPF, I just can’t believe the difference it’s made in a week

[LaurieFairyCake]

I feel like such an idiot. I can’t believe how well I feel, how much I’m ready for bed and how much better I sleep.

this shit is radical. I was eating 40% upf (a teenagers diet is 80% 😱) and I feel brand new.

i have zero pain in my joints, during the day loads of good energy

does anyone else do this ?

@MyRootinTootinBabyLingwoods produce 6 seed mixes which I’d recommend. Two tablespoons will give you approximately 3.7 gms of fibre, depending on the particular mix. For people looking for non ultra processed crisps, Kettle lightly salted crisps are worth looking at. I’ve attached a review.

Thank you! I really want to try this but I couldn’t see the quantities - I might just be being absolutely stupid but not sure how much chocolate/cream you need.

Yes all true. I love food, I love food research and I particularly love food history so have researched a lot of this myself

What we tend to forget about ourselves is that humans are masters at changing our environment to make it more convenient, tastier and easier to consume things we like. We are ultimately hedonistic. Its our downfall obviously. So we have created systems around food to achieve greater consumption, not to achieve greater health.

I think humans are pretty much like labradors, we usually dont know whats good for us.

It's not confusing.
If there's ingredients in it that you can't usually get in a normal kitchen... it's UPF basically.

If it's recognisable food/ingredients,it's fine.

Look at these breads

Jason's Sourdough Ingredients
Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Water, Salt, Fermented Wheat Flour

Warburton's White Toastie
Wheat Flour [with Calcium, Iron, Niacin (B3) and Thiamin (B1)], Water, Yeast, Salt, Vegetable Oils (Rapeseed and Sustainable Palm), Soya Flour, Preservative: Calcium Propionate, Emulsifiers: E472e, E481, Flour Treatment Agent: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)

It's quite easy to see which one is UPF

Crisps made with potatoes, vegetable oil and salt are not UPF.

Same 😂

the oil is the UPF, especially if it's something like sunflower oil

The poster is being sarcastic because there was reference to UPF free crisps earlier in the thread.

Of course their meal is better for you than presumed UPF free crisps

Not that I believe crisps should be demonised anyway.

It’s not classed as UPF if you find it in your kitchen. I cook with sunflower oil.

We make jam etc but isn't the sugar in it still upf?

And dairy products are upf?

Sugar and dairy are not UPF! Too much of it is bad for you but anything your granny ate is not UPF.

No it isnt!!!!

Yes, thank you 🙏.

And I agree with not demonising crisps.

Could you give an example of a typical menu for 2 or 3 days? Please

No because they tend to stop off at the local school shop and buy sweets crap and energy drinks .

I feel much better with a clean diet .

Why do you think 'crisp' means UPF? Cooking doesn't make a food UPF, nor does making it crunchy. There is a big difference between 'processed' food and 'ultra processed'.

And there are crisps which aren't UPF: https://world.openfoodfacts.org/cgi/search.pl?search_terms=crisps&search_simple=1&action=process

I may have missed your point here, and I’m sorry if that’s the case, but are you trying to say that eating mayonnaise is equivalent to eating eggs in terms of nutrients?

Over and over these threads indicate so little knowledge about this whole subject

Scampi Fries - UPF
Plain old boring crisps - not UPF

I like Scampi Fries!

Could you let me know what height you are if you can only eat 1000 cals without putting on weight, also do you exercise or are you very sedentary

@BusWankers - I agree with Soupy. A UPF is essentially a food that contains an artificial ingredient that you wouldn’t use in an ordinary home kitchen and it’s often something that’s difficult to pronounce. Oils are not UPFs.

Milk, cream, cheese, yogurt etc in their basic forms are processed but not ultra processed. You could have say, 100% natural Greek yogurt with no additives, but not something like Activia with added flavourings, sweeteners, thickeners and preservatives:

Fat Free Yogurt (Milk), Strawberry (11%), Modified Maize Starch, Natural Flavourings, Black Carrot Concentrate, Stabiliser (Pectin), Acidity Regulators (Sodium Citrate, Lactic Acid), Sweeteners (Acesulfame K, Sucralose), Cultures (Bifidobacterium Lactis (Bifidus ActiRegularis), Streptococcus Thermophilus, Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, Lactococcus Lactis)

Nearly all our food is processed in some way - simply peeling and cutting up a food can be classed as processing it.

There is no single, universally agreed definition for ultra-processed foods. The NOVA classification (opens as PDF) (Opens in a new window)(which is the most commonly used) talks about food which contains “formulations of ingredients, mostly of exclusive industrial use, typically created by a series of industrial techniques and processes.”
Some people have also defined ultra-processed foods as foods which contain ingredients that you might not find in your kitchen cupboard (for example, types of additives or emulsifiers or stabilisers).
Examples of ultra-processed foods might include sweetened breakfast cereals, carbonated soft drinks or confectionery. They might also include low fat spreads or some flavoured yogurts.
Food Standards Agency

It certainly does make a difference but let's be fair and realistic, a little occasionally is not going to harm. I hardly ever have processed food but on the odd occasion there is something I fancy so I have it. It's only bad if people eat too much, too often. Most like bacon, sausages and like sometimes, maybe once a week/fortnight, or a burger.

It's one of those food blogs with loads of waffle before the recipe, so you have to scroll down a mile (or "jump to recipe" which isn't working on my phone today).

200g chocolate
95ml boiling water
95ml double cream
Tsp vanilla although I don't bother.

(PS the measurements were written in cups originally, I don't think their conversion to ml is right). As I mentioned, the chocolate and whipping time affect it a lot so I wouldn't worry about being too precise with water and cream volumes anyway.

anything your granny ate is not UPF.

This is a really helpful rule to go by IMO.

I think there's so much misunderstanding around processed versus ultra-processed. Lots (and lots) of things are processed - you'd be pretty much only living off things you could grow in your garden otherwise! Anything that has been "changed" from its original format is processed. Ultra-processed is when ingredients have been added that you wouldn't be able to source from your local supermarket/find in your kitchen. Gums, sweeteners, additives, preservatives, etc are what make something upf.