DIET FAILED AGAIN thread 6- everyone welcome

[thenewaveragebear1983]

We made it to 1000 posts on thread 5, here is thread 6

@Storyland oh bless you, I hope you soon feel better 💕

So on DPs birthday week I gained three quarters of a pound (I had to go back on the thread to check because I forgot to write it down) and this week I've lost half a pound so I'm still quarter of a pound up, 🙈. A very small move in the right direction but it would have been so much better to lose more considering how much work I'm doing atm.

I suppose I'll just keep on trying. I've got another busy day planned for today, my spare room bed and floor are littered with clothes to more than likely go to the charity shop. I don't know why when I start a project I just can't stop until EVERYTHING is sorted. I also don't know why every room in the house with the exception of the lounge and bathroom is a mess. I need to contain my madness into one room.

Have a good Monday everyone, mine is a very busy one.

I weighed in this morning and it was a very big number that I do not want you to see anymore. I've pretty much regained everything I lost since about March 🤦‍♀️ hopefully a lot of it is bloat and water weight as it really will take me a very long time to get that back off, but at least it's the ass kicking I need to remind me that I really don't want to go back there.

Inspired by your clear out @poorpaws , I'm just listing a few bits on vinted. And I also ticked a job off my mega list- tightened all the bolts in Ds's bunk bed with an Allen key (really should have done that more frequently 🤣) and tidied the tool box

@Storyland sorry you are feeling rubbish.

Got the dentist this morning and the gym at 5pm, I'll be honest, I'm not fancying either

Thanks all, I'm feeling a lot brighter but still coughing a lot so so don't feel up to exercising again. Feeling a bit twitchy because I've had 2 weeks now of not doing anything.

Tried to bring soup for lunch today. Heated it up this morning, put it in a new thermal travel mug but by lunch time it was cold and congealed 🤢 so bought a tuna sandwich and crisps from the shop instead. Going to have to rethink this plan. It was easier over the summer when I could bring in salads. There is a microwave in the office kitchen but it's a big busy office and I'm trying to avoid the faff of waiting around or cleaning spills in front of a queue of hungry colleagues.

@Storyland happy to hear you are feeling brighter and I hope you are back to full health very soon.

@thenewaveragebear1983 I feel your pain as I too am at a stage when I don't want to say my weight out loud. I just know that this time last year I was doing really well and felt fantastic at possibly one and a half stones lighter than I am now 🙈. I'm so pleased I've inspired you, I cannot wait to get this done. It's such a good feeling to tick a job or two off the list.

I'm still busy throwing enormous amounts of my possessions out, I'm not sure whats got into me. The small dresser in the hall is finished. Two chest of drawers, one in my bedroom and one in the spare room done. Under the spare bed now sorted. Today I started my wardrobe 😱. So far I have five big bags of clothes, one big bag of shoes and a bag of odds and ends. These bags are huge and I'm discarding three quarters (at least) of my trousers, skirts, blouses, tops and jumpers. I can actually move the coat hangers along the rail a little and it's been years since I've done that. I feel a strange sort of peace but at the same time a little anxiety as I fold lovely clothes that no longer fit.

I've still got to do half the wardrobe floor and the long top shelf. This shelf has all my handbags and at least two, maybe three have never been used. I no longer go anywhere that warrants dressing up really nicely and only occasionally do I need a handbag. Tomorrow will be hard but I think my daughter might want a couple, some of them were bought by her for Christmas presents.

It's all been a bit of a blur of activity and my home still looks like it's been ransacked by a burglar but I know there is progress being made.

I've eaten dinner, had some dark chocolate and coffee and I'm still craving something "nice". If I'm not careful there will be a binge tonight, a "well I've worked hard, I deserve it", I must be strong.

I've not had a great start today. I do not feel well to be honest, I'm feeling like I'm coming down with something but I've felt like this for over a week now, so this obviously IS the something. Really really wrung out, tired and generally exhausted, a bit of a sore throat, weird breathless feeling and thundering palpitations. I pushed myself to go to bootcamp last night but I felt really unfit, no stamina at all, and today my entire body aches all over like I've exercised for the first time in years. So I feel really sorry for myself and very miserable.

My meals were generally good today but Ds's birthday cake was left so I had a rather generous slice at lunch and another one after dinner 🤦‍♀️ I made the kids have a huge piece so it's now all gone. Thankfully. Will try harder tomorrow.

I'm in a tired grumpy mood so I'm going to have a bath and try and get to bed early so hopefully tomorrow I feel better

@thenewaveragebear1983 oh bless you, I am so sorry to hear you feel so awful.

Perhaps an early night and a day doing very little tomorrow might be the answer? I really think you should rest now and not push yourself.

As for the cake, two pieces are obligatory in my home 😉 and you can easily make this better when you feel better, not until then.

I really hope you take your time, look after yourself and feel better soon. You sound so down and it's just not like you.

Sending you a huge paws hug 🥰

@thenewaveragebear1983 I echo what Poorpaws says. You're ill, you need to rest up properly and let your body get better. Sounds like you and I have had similar things. I've also got a tight chest and not much energy.

I've managed a lunch time walk around the town centre today but that will be it for me today. Hopefully next week I'll be recovered enough to start making progress again

I had a quieter day at work today, just got some boring admin done. I tried to hold off eating as long as I could today, I skipped breakfast entirely and had lunch and dinner. However mid afternoon, I ended up eating some chocolate that was leftover from baking. I went to bootcamp, then stupidly came home and ate a piece of birthday cake while my healthy portion of leftover lentil shepherds pie was microwaving 🙄 so again, my food is great but the extra crap I sneak in is my downfall.

At least all the cake is gone now, I might actually manage an actual day on track 🤷‍♀️

Checking in, I am focusing on no booze right now. Realised it’s been a long time since I went a week or more without wine. I am reading a book by Lewis David called the 10 Day Alcohol Detox Plan and finding it very helpful. I expect to gain some weight as I am eating more while giving up booze. Finding it difficult to sleep and generally tired but I should start to feel the benefits in a few days.

That sounds like a good plan @Sedgwick. My alcohol consumption has crept up again. Been so busy with meetings and working late I'm turning to a glass of wine to unwind before bed. I probably need to reign it in again.

I'm going to kick start my efforts on Monday. Taking the weekend to chill out, hopefully shift this cough, do a little gardening. Then Monday back to exercise and stricter meal planning.

Reading the above posts I'm so pleased I don't drink alcohol any more and I don't miss it at all. However my chocolate consumption is unbelievable so I'm just as unhealthy with my vice.

I wish I could report a good week but sadly I can't. I've been working hard on the clearing out but then after a hearty dinner and to congratulate myself, I've succumbed to far too much chocolate. I fear a gain this week which will upset me AGAIN.

We've been to our cafe and because the weather is going to be lovely today we've decided to walk into town to pick up our new glasses and do a last visit to the ice cream parlour which will be closing soon until next spring. Not good for the diet but a necessary farewell (well that's what I kid myself).

All in all it's not going well, my heart isn't in it but I really should knuckle down. I'm doing enough, walking enough but the copious amount of food/treats is ruining my efforts.

I hope everyone is doing well (@thenewaveragebear1983 I hope you are feeling brighter) and I'll be back soon, hopefully in a better frame of mind).

Feeling better today, have decided not to weigh or watch my diet until I have completed 10 days. Eating chocolate at night as I miss the sugar from the wine. It will be worth it. Pleased I am doing this. @poorpaws I may be swopping my wine habit for a chocolate habit but I know my liver will be happier. Hope you are feeling a bit better @thenewaveragebear1983 and @Storyland . @Theredjellybean how is it going for you? Is sober October on track? Are you feeling well on the jabs? My friend is on wegovey (sp?) and is losing weight slowly but steadily, her appetite and portion sizes have decreased, no bad side effects, sleeping a little bit more than usual but feels really good.

@Sedgwick ..I don't want to boast or be snug but it is literally amazing..
I've lost 15 lbs in 3.5 weeks, minimal side effects, feel amazing and really well.
Have lost all desire for alcohol and my liver function tests are already looking better.
I do know I probably need to eat a bit more and slow the weight loss so I can keep up the running and training.
I ran 10 km on Sunday and it was not that great.

Thanks for all your sympathy ladies, I feel a bit better today. I might head out for a lunchtime run shortly.

I didn't sleep well last night and in the end I slept downstairs and listened to an old hypnosis recording to nod off. I'd forgotten how good these are though, the one I used is for binge eating and undone know how it works but today I have definitely felt less bingey.

@Theredjellybean glad it's going well. I have a few questions about the jabs that I can't really ask anywhere. Not about getting them, just general questions - do you mind if I ask? I'm just being nosy really.

@Theredjellybean that’s great news, these new meds are helping a lot of people.

Ask away.. either here or message me

I suppose it's more just about the consequences of losing so much weight so quickly. Do you think people will become malnourished/depleted etc? If I ate 1200 calories a day for 3 months I'd probably/definitely lose weight but everyone would say it's not enough, so how does it work?
Is it purely an appetite suppression or does it change the way you metabolise fat/ energy?

How likely is it to get abused? Especially by people who are in the 'middle zone' of being just overweight- not able to qualify but struggle to lose weight (probably like most of us on this thread, not suggesting for a minute that any of us are planning to abuse it!!)

@Theredjellybean you don't have to answer any of these, it's just my musings. I'm really glad it's working for you. 15lbs is amazing. 🤩

@Theredjellybean I am so, so envious.

Firstly...it's such a myth about not eating enough. Basically if your are overweight and eat in a calorie deficit you lose weight. Your body uses fat stores first. These are not good for us to have in large quantities. So if you eat 1200 calories and lose weight... good.
We have lost sight of normal calories and what is healthy.
Lots of people on forums complaining they aren't losing on these meds. But they list what they eat and it's clear they eat too much.
Most of us wildly underestimate the calories we eat.
So unless you use these meds to get an underweight level then how quickly you get there is not an issue.
So for me I need 1000-1100 calories a day to lose weight and that was hard...so I started binge purging which is dangerous.
The injections do really depression your appetite so the portion sizes at meals are about half what I was eating. I feel full very easily and have no desire to keep eating. I think probably this is a normalising of what my portions should be.
They also make you just disinterested in food...it's fuel now , while I enjoy what I eat , I have no real emotional attachment to it
It's not making me happy/sad/guilty...like it used to.
I have no desire for alcohol...just again can look at it and think "mmm a glass of wine that tastes nice but actually I can't be bothered"
Ditto snacks or treats. Literally barely crosses my mind..I thought yesterday" oh there is chocolate in the fridge..that tastes nice. .oh I can't be arsed to get up and get it ".
I do fall into the not quite fat enough,so honestly I lied and made myself 2 inches shorter.
But I was verging on obese and why shouldnt I have this help ?
I think it's best summed up as the injections make you think,feel and behave like a lot of naturally slim people behave.
You know the slim friend who says " oh I didn't have lunch as I just forgot" or the one who eats half a piece of cake and can just leave the rest.

I have started a vitamin supplement as I'm obviously not eating much fruit or veg.

You can only change your metabolism by increasing the amount of calories your body needs to maintain itself.
So increase muscle density...this needs more calories than fat
You really cannot change your metabolism any other way.
Age and hormones affect your muscle density and how your body lays down fat.

Thanks @Theredjellybean , that's interesting. It's fascinating, and also I find it amazing how it's immediate, like it's just switched off habits that have formed over a lifetime. I suppose the same as any weight loss, you will lose muscle mass if you're in calorie deficit as well as fat. It will be interesting to see the longer term impacts not just on individuals but also on the nhs from reduction of weight related issues etc. Personal question but will you be left with lots of loose skin? Do you think that will be an issue for you?

I think it will become abused though, especially as costs go down which inevitably they will over time, which is a shame for those with legitimate need. I have already seen posts on here where someone is overweight but not able to legitimately get it asking for 'tips'

Well I wasn't huge...so will definitely have some wobbly skin on my lower abdomen and maybe my arms but I'm increasingly my weights and strength work to tone the underlying muscles to help.
Your body has a hierarchy of what it uses for fuel .. firstly you use the sugar in your blood that comes from recent eaten food...then you use glycocon stores which is basically carb/sugar stored in your muscles. Your muscles aren't broken down during this process. After you have exhausted these stores your body starts breaking down fat ..
Your body does not randomly break down muscle...it uses the most efficient stores first... easily accessible sugars, then fats ..last is muscle.
And despite what the current trend is... eating calories as protein will not stop you losing muscle or build muscle or make any difference to weight loss.
You body breaks down food ...and uses it for fuel...if you have more fuel than you use, you stored it . usually as fat.
When protein is useful is after your have stressed your muscles and they are repairing themselves..and protein is good to eat when you want a calorie deficit as it makes you feel full quickly.
This does not work though if you don't have a "stop your full button"

Regarding the abuse issues..yes I agree but any medicine can be abused. We have allowed the rise of online and virtual doctors services and prescriptions are easily obtained with little scrutiny.
I was BMI 27.4 when I ordered and I needed to be BMI 30.
So I could have shoveled in cake for two weeks and gained another half stone...or lie .
I was tipping into obese .
I didn't want to wait and have more to lose once I decided I was going to do it.
The immediate effect was a bonus as the 2.5 mg is supposed to be a sub therapeutic dose ..I cannot see moving up to next dose tbh

That's interesting @Theredjellybean thank you for answering.