Why We Eat (Too Much) Thread 3

[TooExtraImmatureCheddar]

We’ve chatted as much as we (used to) eat! New shiny thread for more support.

General principles:

No sugar
No wheat
No processed foods
Honourable mention to tipping the balance of omega 3 and 6, but that’s mostly achieved by doing the above.

Everything else is fair game!

Turns out I can't do this at the moment.

The bread is so nice. I just eat too much of it. Because of the woe I'm really used to eating as much as I feel like at the moment so then I keep going, more cheese, more ice cream.

I have no scales here but the mirror tells its own tale. At least I can probably lose it again without too much hassle when we get back 🤞

Welcome @secondchapter - and congratulations on your weight loss - that's amazing! I lost over 40 pounds doing my own version of this and have another 20 or so to go at least. I am in no real rush though - which is just as well as I think it will take a while.

What we all seem to have concluded I think is that this plan is very individual and needs a bit of experimentation to find the right and realistic balance for each of us.

@Aria999 Don't be hard on yourself! Holidays can be very difficult to manage food wise, as I recently found out. Drink lots of water if you can perhaps, and if there is anything you are tempted by and feel you can say 'no' to - do it ( remember my ice cream sundae episode?)

I think we can remove the addictive type of foods largely from our diets, but for me definitely, the behavioural compulsion is still there under the surface. Also, and separately, I love food and am greedy with poor portion control.

Thanks for the welcome @Words i started off some time ago not dieting but gave up palm oil which cut out most processed food and chocolate. I then did the wheat belly detox giving up wheat and grain and cooked potatoes, and limiting to 15 carbs per meal. Lately over been doing 18:6 combined with optimising protein as low carb with too many fat bombs cut my cravings but uped my cholesterol. I did drink beer and eat naan bread on Saturday as I went out. Don't beat myself up for that, it was planned, but I'm back to strict grain free again. I cooked beef yesterday with a lot of cauliflower and broccoli, made ice cream with good ingredients and ate pork scratchings and ice cream at tea time. Went swimming at 7am this morning and soon off for a massage as it is a non working day. Washing to get out now. I don't worry about portion control now as I eat foods with high satiety. I could eat a bag of sweets at work in the afternoon / or when I was driving but since I gave up sugar I don't crave it.

Hello everyone,

I’ve been following these threads with interest. I have read the book, together with chatterjee’s Feel Great Lose Weight and Jason Fung’s Obesity Code and have cobbled together bits of each to suit me.

So far I’ve ditched sugar, UPFs and have stopped snacking between meals. I’m following a 18:6 woe as I don’t normally eat breakfast anyway. I cook from scratch and have replaced vegetable oil with butter, evoo and cold pressed rapeseed oil. I’m only eating bread if I’ve made it from scratch (which is once in a blue moon) as I find it makes me want to eat everything in sight.

I am in my early fifties and trying to stop the slow creep of weight gain that I don’t seem to be able to control any more. This feels like a breath of fresh air - a healthy, sustainable life style that could have additional health benefits even if my weight refuses to budge.

Thank you for all the guidance so far.

Welcome @secondchapter and @MotherofPiggies, lovely to have you both join us!

These threads have been a great encouragement to me as well as a source of good sensible advice, hopefully you will find them the same for you. I don't think any of us would claim to be nutritional experts, but between us we all chip in with suggestions from our own experience and we are able to figure out what works best for each of us.

I think the key thing is to remember that this is not a short-term diet but a long-term way of eating that will (hopefully!) reset our natural weight to a healthy but sustainable level.

I’m mostly sticking to the woe but not super well. Just need to get to the end of the month/work project/course without having a breakdown.

Three weeks today without coke, except for yesterday when I had one to help my migraine hangover. Didn’t even like it that much (luckily DS bought me a bottle rather than a can, and I vastly prefer cans—they taste better ).

Just bought the book on Audible last night. None of the omega 3:6 tables but I've managed to get hold of them elsewhere. Listened to just over an hour today. Interesting so far.

Awful day today! Left my lunch at home and had no time to leave school and get something I had pizza and wedges! Also a bit of flapjack. I really should have left it but once I started I couldn't stop!!

A new day today @WeWantAMackerelNotASprat, don't beat yourself up too much about yesterday. One day is not going to have too much of an effect and this WoE is not so rigid that we can't have some days when we eat other things.

Anyone got any nice plans today? We're taking the kids out for a hill-walk later - am making a picnic for lunch, but I'm taking a salad for myself, so that's all on plan.

This evening is probably going to be pizza though. I will have some, but I hereby promise to all you fellow WWE(TM)ites I will only have a small helping and will serve mine with lots of salad instead of having more pizza.

Can I join you? The book is being delivered today, I've been trying to listen to the audio version in the evenings but nod off after about 30 seconds so it will take me years to complete!
I'm concerned I've completely messed up my body and mind with diets, plans and rules over the past 20 odd years to the point where I'll be this weight forever. I tried fast800 earlier this year, I loved the food but found it unsustainable with family life or any life out of lockdown. I lost 12lb but put 8lb it back on after 'normal' eating in the Easter holidays.
Anyway I've read through most of the previous threads and this WOE sounds quite sustainable so am going to give it a go.

Hi maftedmess, you are very welcome to join us. I think the sustainability of this WoE is what appeals to me most - I've done various diets in the past and have always found them effective in the short-term but impossible to maintain (for me) for longer than a few months. After a while I got fed up having to count, record and weigh everything I ate. With this WoE I don't have to do that and it is so much easier to fit in with normal family meals.

I also find it much easier as I don't have to be hungry. When I tried 5:2 I thought about foodall the time because I was hungry. I resented the fasting days and all I thought about was when I could next eat and what I would have.

Now, if I'm hungry, I get something to eat. Truth be told I'm rarely hungry between meals, but if I am I don't feel guilty about having something to tide me over to the next meal.

Thanks for joining us, good luck!!

Slept really well last night, woke up at 5 to 7 when I had a swim booked for 7-8. Managed to get 40 minutes swim in by throwing my Cossie on and getting straight in the car. Ate chicken thighs for tea last night and more home made protein ice cream. I'm prioritizing protein so bought small bags of pork scratchings in home bargains again, after agonizing over a bunch of so called high protein snack bars. They had far too many ingredients. Will eat breakfast at 12 noon if I last that long, actually feeling a bit hungry this morning. Hope you are all having a lovely day.

Thank you for the welcome Tiredandbored. I reached a peak last year pre lockdown where I was crying over eating an apple (too carby) and absolutely freaking out, literally sick and shaking about having to go on a free luxury holiday because I hated the way I look so much.
I've really worked on liking myself again this past year with help from my lovely husband and my mindset is changing but I still feel so unhealthy because of my weight so hopefully this will help.

Hi @maftedmess I've not read this book but I'm already doing the:
"No sugar
No wheat
No processed foods
tipping the balance of omega 3 and 6"
I'm still big but I feel loads better than when I was up another 3 + stone and pre diabetic. My blood sugars HbA1c have come down from 44 to 35 and though a lot of my eating in 2020 was unrestricted high fat without enough exercise, I didn't gain weight. Personally I think I have a sugar problem and I am better without it but I do have a tiny bit while counting the carbs. I don't eat a whole apple so I can relate to that. I do eat the lower carb fruits, basically berries either fresh or frozen and I slice and freeze a green banana to have a few slices of that dipped in very dark chocolate Finding something that works for you is key. I know I can lose weight on CICO but it's not sustainable for me, weight goes back on as soon as I'm stressed or upset I'm just having a black coffee, never liked it before but in the heat I'm finding an espresso with a pint of water on the side suits me.

Secondchapter
Hello and thanks. I feel I have something going on healthwise which is weight related but I cannot get in to see a Dr about it so must try and sort it myself as I'm genuinely afraid I'll have a heart attack or something.
I wish I liked black coffee I've been trying for years but it's not grown on me yet!

@maftedmess sorry you can't get a Dr appointment. Mine have been pretty good, when I have filled in an econsult they have triaged and invited me for f2f. Last week I phoned my consultant and got an appointment in 3 working days. I am a bit worried about my health too, they have ordered me an MRI for next week, I'm just a bit scared I will need another op. More motivation for me to get healthier. How are you doing today? I try to tell myself that it took a long time to pack the weight on so slow loss is ok. Getting healthier is most important, it only take a few lbs of loss to improve diabetes for example.

Has anyone managed to find an app / website etc with a more extensive list of omega 3:6 ratios? The list given in the book, while helpful, is still pretty short. Can manage the glycaemic loads bit with a GI index book, several of the better books also manage the GL so that's fine. The list in the book doesn't mention, for example:

Quinoa
Any kind of lentils at all - although it does suggest recipes for them in the book
Brown rice (only white or wild - which isn't actually a type of rice!)
Parsnips
Celeriac
Olives
Turkey
It mentions chicken but doesn't appear to specify whether that's free range organic, or intensively reared on an artificial diet
Blueberries
Freekeh - which someone upthread mentioned
Wholegrain spelt / barley, pearl barley
Oats

Welcome @maftedmess and sorry to hear of your health concerns. I hope you get an appointment soon.

Like you, I was really worried I had damaged my health. I was getting severe night time palpitations as well as extremely bad menopausal symptoms. All gone now.

I must admit when I first read the thread title I thought it was a support thread around emotional eating- which it is in a way - but it's so interesting to understand some of the theories behind incremental weight gain and processed foods too.

Another person who was on to the sugar issue before low carbs really became a thing is Kathleen Des Maisons. Anything by her I would recommend.

@secondchapter
My surgery is closed due to COVID, several practices have all moved to one surgery. The only way to try and get an appointment is to phone at 8:30 and be in a queue for at least an hour to be told to ring back the next day. There is an online questionnaire but it just keeps telling me to make an urgent appointment
I've just begun the process to switch surgery so things will hopefully improve.

So far so good for me. I rarely eat breakfast, had leftovers bolognese and salad for brunch and some Greek yogurt and frozen blueberries. Annoyingly DS1 has finished the coffee pods and not told me so my planned iced coffee has become a tea and drink of water. My danger zone is between about 3 and 6 when I usually scoff biscuits, bread, cheese and crackers and crisps as I'm getting dinner ready.

I hope your MRI goes well.

Thank you @words
It's encouraging to know your symptoms have gone. I will add Kathleen Des Maisons to my reading list. Waiting patiently for my copy of this book to arrive too.

Hi everyone and welcome newbies!

Secondcoming and maftedmess, I just wanted to say that it's perfectly ok to eat apples on this approach! No one should have to cry because they ate an apple (although I absolutely have cried over eating things in the past!). This isn't a low carb WOE in the sense that you don't need to count carbs or cut out any fruit or veg.

Talk me down, people - I'm so tired and grumpy and I keep thinking of food. I'm not hungry, I really am just grumpy, but I have this massive craving for carrot cake. Which I can't have, as there isn't any in the house. If I try to think about other things to eat I don't want them, which is proof positive that I'm not hungry. I put on 2lbs overnight again and my rational brain knows that it's a combination of eating later yesterday, not exercising much, and general heat-based water retention, but my irrational brain just wants to go fuck it and eat all the imaginary cake.

New thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/weight_loss_chat/4301671-Why-we-eat-too-much-thread-4?watched=1

Ignore me I thought there was a 20 page limit!

Hi @TooExtraImmatureCheddar sorry you are feeling grumpy. Imaginary cake is ok surely! I weigh myself a lot but only worry about the lightest and heaviest each month which shows the trend