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Why We Eat (Too Much) Thread 2

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TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 14/05/2021 22:52

Shiny new thread to continue on with! I hope everyone keeps going.

For any newbies, this thread is based on a book by Dr Andrew Jenkinson. The main principles are to cut out sugar, wheat and ultra-processed foods, while eating fresh natural ingredients. It works!

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badlydrawncat · 27/06/2021 23:11

Welcome @JeffVaderneedsatray
Good to meet you. 4.5lb is excellent. Happy reading, just pop in when you can.

Aria999 · 28/06/2021 01:11

@TheLeadbetterLife

Well I am new to this and I don't get that many sugar cravings but so far, yes it has worked though I did also eat a little bit of cheese.

HighlandCowbag · 28/06/2021 07:20

@Aria999 this woe allows your body to self regulate appetite and cravings. Mentally its a bit of a change but after a few weeks your appetite shrinks and you hear your body better. I like cheese as much as anyone. When I first started I was buying individually wrapped portions of cheese as snacks. But haven't bought them for weeks as I just don't need to snack anymore. So I eat cheese but as part of a meal. I actually crave healthy things now. Cherry toms, apples, salad and tuna rather than cheese, or yoghurt and honey. Both of which are allowed on the diet and which I relied on initially to scratch the itch.

Tuna salad for lunch today, then steak, med veg and beef cooked chips for dinner. Need to do a meal plan for this week, fancy switching things up a bit. Also need a rummage in the freezer as there is loads of stuff in there I don't think we will eat. Even ds (7) is asking for non processed stuff and trying new things which is amazing as he's a fussy little toad.

BrightShark · 28/06/2021 08:16

I feel awful this morning after eating processed food and chocolate this weekend. I am also bloated and feel the inflammation coming back. I will definitely be going back on plan from today.

It’s also showing on the scales- over 1kg gain and I can feel it!

CatherineCawood · 28/06/2021 08:45

Wow so quick to feel blurgh again 😑

I do feel lighter and trousers that I couldn't pull up 2 weeks ago I can get up now and close - until I sit down and feel like I've been chopped in half Blush

samthebordercollie · 28/06/2021 09:06

@BrightShark

I feel awful this morning after eating processed food and chocolate this weekend. I am also bloated and feel the inflammation coming back. I will definitely be going back on plan from today.

It’s also showing on the scales- over 1kg gain and I can feel it!

I hope you get back on track this week! I'm up a lb week on week and have asked DH to confiscate the nuts as Im sure that's the reason. I haven't eaten any processed food (except for a few crisps at the weekend) but in total probably get through at least a kg of nuts a week by snacking which is a lot of calories (even if they aren't all absorbed!)
badlydrawncat · 28/06/2021 09:52

A couple of weeks ago we went camping. I was so pleased that I bought nuts, low GI granola etc for snacks instead of crisps, snack bars, bread are. One day I opened a pack of pecans and.proceeded to eat about 2/3 of it. Then I looked at the label, there were 720 calories in the pack! Well, no sugar and plenty of fibre I suppose, and I wasn't doing this WOE then. Nuts, bread and cheese are my weakness

  • along with crisps, cream, good olive oil, fruit, butter, lentils, olives, Indian food, yoghurt basically anything that doesn't move - except for cakes, sweets and chocolate which I can happily leave alone all year, any year.
LifestyleReset · 28/06/2021 10:01

Any tips for holidays?

It's self catering so I can cook but it's also my holiday!!

I'm thinking about taking my slow cooker (or ninja foodi if I've upgraded in time)

I will definitely have fish, chips and ice cream once!

Meals for one ideas would be welcome too, I don't want to stop the rest of the family indulging on holiday!

Has anyone come across any unprocessed quick fixes in the supermarkets?

AIBConsiderate · 28/06/2021 10:05

Oh I'm so excited to find this thread, I read the book a few months ago and I've been trying to abide by the guidance. But the bread monster has been rearing it's head lately and I need some new ideas.

Now to trawl through the past threads Grin

HighlandCowbag · 28/06/2021 10:14

Lifestyle we also go self catering in a few weeks, I'm not going to worry about it. We will be mostly eating out, will make sure we have fruit and cheese and will probably buy some prepared salad bits but am not cooking fish and grassfed beef in a caravan. If I can have healthier food out and about I will, but am not flapping about it.

badlydrawncat · 28/06/2021 10:20

@LifestyleReset

Any tips for holidays?

It's self catering so I can cook but it's also my holiday!!

I'm thinking about taking my slow cooker (or ninja foodi if I've upgraded in time)

I will definitely have fish, chips and ice cream once!

Meals for one ideas would be welcome too, I don't want to stop the rest of the family indulging on holiday!

Has anyone come across any unprocessed quick fixes in the supermarkets?

Is a Ninja Foodie a slow cooker/pressure cooker/santa thing? If so I have an Amazon brand version and it's fantastic. I was a slow cooker fan and lived my old 70s style pressure cooker (aka indian microwave) but couldn't use that anymore because of having an induction hob. The one-pot thing gets used a lot.

I experimented yesterday with making a fro-yo (not in the one-pot😄). Just a ramekin of greek yogurt mixed with a desert spoon of creme fraiche. No sugar. I could have used cream, but I like the tartiness of creme fraiche. I haven't eaten it yet but I did taste it as I was re-beating the crystals out and out was lovely. I think it would be great with strawberry pulp beaten in.

Can't help much with supermarket fixes off the top of my head but I do know that lots of the deli meats often have hidden carbs.

Words · 28/06/2021 11:15

I'm following the portion control/calorie debate with interest.

I'm a glutton too, and portion control, especially as I live alone, can be a real issue. Yes I can freeze leftovers, and often do, but the pull of seconds of something really tasty is hard to resist.

My plan for first week is to ease in gently as I still have some off plan food in and I hate to waste it - then just see how I go. Will try the mindful eating thing too - I spend a lot of time and care making nice meals for myself - then don't always give the food my full attention, which is crazy. I will also up my fluid intake.

I suspect I won't lose anything this first week, but we'll see.

Re the juice thing -I rather thought if I blended the oranges ( three, not six, but still) it wouldn't be so bad as the pulp is included, but to be honest my blender does a really good job of macerating it all to oblivion.

Either way, my body indicated it was a bad move! Lesson learned, as they say :)

samthebordercollie · 28/06/2021 12:17

@badlydrawncat I'm reading a book called Calories Don't Count which set out all the reasons why calorie counting diets are so flawed.
Yes they can work moreorless, but they don't encourage you to eat healthily.
If you eat a protein for example (and nuts are a rich source) your body only takes in 70% of what the original calorie count is. Wheras if you eat a Mars Bar it is 100% of what is on the packed that is absorbed, and very quickly, so you feel hungry soon after.
The trick is to eat lots of protein and fibre rich food. Nuts are good! just not 1.5kg per week Blush

Seahorse11 · 28/06/2021 13:30

Sam - that’s mega interesting, thanks.

I’m watching too in the hope someone will come up with quick fixes. Although to be honest, I don’t stress over it. I’m healthy and always opt for the healthy option when out. So I figure, if I carry on like that then that’s fine. If I eat a UPF along the road, it will be ok as long as it doesn’t become w mainstay of my WOE

Aria999 · 28/06/2021 13:45

@HighlandCowbag

Yes it's amazing! I'm not doing the full thing though (just some of the recommendations from the early part of the woe chapter) and I have not given up orange juice so I do need to deal with the occasional sugar craving!

I have been eating differently for about two weeks and have lost 4 lbs which is faster than I was expecting.

Words · 28/06/2021 16:02

Some rambling and random thoughts on the book which I've devoured Grin in a couple of days.

The plan is pretty much what I was already doing, with one big exception - and I've lost 45 pounds so far doing it. It parallels eating regimes I've tried and thrived on in the past - all of them involve reducing processed foods, refined carbs and sugar. (The first books I read on this subject which parallel a lot of what Dr J says and are worth a look are : Potatoes Not Prozac and Your Last Diet (Ha!) by Kathleen DesMaisons.)

The role of stress: Lockdown has been great for me as a foodie introvert - I now WFH full time . My stress levels are way down since stopping commuting and office working (which I hated), and I have used the many extra hours a week I've gained to buy everything fresh and cook from scratch.

Just as Dr J says, the ritual of cooking is a time of relaxation for me and yes, I listen to music while preparing my dinner. It's a lovely routine. I now really understand what self care means, and what work-life balance means.

Also as recommended in the book I've re-organised my sleeping timetable and go to bed very early and get up very early as this suits me best - now I am no longer at the mercy of train timetables.

I've made my bed and bedroom as comfy as I can, with lovely bedding and comfy pillows, and a fan and a woollen duvet to cope with hot flushes ( now very much reduced.)

Exercise-wise I've been going to the gym regularly since April, and I do a lot of hill walking with my collie ( waves at Sam.) Recently started pilates too, and I'm fitter than I've been in years.

However, since giving up alcohol completely, I found I was eating more sweet treats than ever before, and more bread than before. And my weight loss, having ticked along at one to pounds a week has stalled somewhat over the last few months - I am definitely at a set point, so again the book has really helped me to understand this and to see what I need to do next.

I am still overweight BMI-wise ( though not quite as much as it might appear I suspect, as I have gained muscle working with weights.) Nevertheless I think I do need to take action and now I know what I need to do!

Things in the book that really made me think:

The diagram on page 107, showing how the weight set point re-sets upwards after each phase of dieting. I've looked at my fitbit stats over the last couple of years, and this parallels exactly what has happened to me.

The role of cortisol, the stress hormone. Over the decades, my pattern has been to get into a great routine with eating well, exercising, and loving life, to experiencing some external stressor and have it all crumble away very, very quickly. Rinse and repeat, over and over and over again.

I saw this pattern as entirely behavioural and within my control and thought badly about myself for it. Now I can see that the stress caused my body to produce cortisol, priming the other mechanisms controlling appetite - and voila.

This long period of, (for me) very low stress living has been the ideal time for me to tackle the weight issue. And now I have a plan to help me reach my ideal weight - and more importantly, a strategy to keep it off.

Over-eating when tired: Oh yes this is a biggy for me - and how easy to get trapped in a vicious cycle of tired-sugar-high-crash- tired-sugar high-crash, over and over. And again, I saw this as a behavioural issue rather than being prompted by the internal mechanism of my own body.

TL:DR - I'm a convert! Grin

TheLeadbetterLife · 28/06/2021 16:24

@Words your experience is very similar to mine. I'm a foodie homebody, fairly introverted, and live in the countryside, so lockdown has been great.

I've always been a stress head, and since moving to Portugal two years ago and working from home, my stress levels have plummeted -- and so has my weight.

I'm on the cusp of a BMI of under 25 for the first time in 20 years (i.e. since I was about 20). I've got less than a kilo to lose to get me under 25, and I want to lose about 2 or 3 more in order to have a bit of wiggle room (for the winter!). At one point around 12 years ago my BMI was up around 34, and it's hovered between 28 and 30 since then.

Much of this weight loss will have been cutting out the carbs (as well as the takeaways we had a lot of in the UK), but I would not be at all surprised if the lower stress levels have made a big difference. This is the first time weight loss has felt easy, and I've never lost as much as this before.

This was all before reading the book. Like Words, I was more or less already eating this way as of the beginning of 2020, as I was following the Michael Mosley ideas about Mediterranean diet, intermittent fasting and low carbs. Which is pretty much what Jenkinson's plan is, for all he protests it's not like other diets!

I'm a terrible sleeper and chronic insomniac, but since reading the book I've been really trying to tackle it. We set our smart lights to dim right down at 10pm, and I've got an alert on my phone at 11pm, at which point I stop watching TV and switch to reading. I also meditate every day and have started taking melatonin and GABA supplements. I think it is helping.

I really want to tackle my stress levels, as I'm worried that I could do all this work on my physical health, only to go and give myself diabetes through stress. Some things I am very resilient about, whereas I can fret far too much over totally normal, everyday challenges (like dodgy car mechanics or correctly filling in a tax return).

Words · 28/06/2021 18:17

@TheLeadbetterLife Are you me ? Grin

I don't want to get too hung up on BMI but mine was 34.7 last October and is now hovering around the 28 mark.So a bit further to go yet. Well done you on your achievement- that's awesome!

Re stress - again, I can identify. I can cope with huge upheavals and do for pleasure things that wouldn't appeal to a lot of people - travelling solo across North Africa, driving across Australia and Europe by myself, living alone with no real need for constant human company.

And it's not so much the monumental life changing stuff that trips me up and sends me off kilter food wise - I can be pretty resilient about those. It's more the smaller things. Life admin issues. That off the cuff comment from the new boss. Beware molehills, not mountains, I say.

Routine has helped me with sleep, and going to bed at a time to suit my lark like tendencies. I find a lavender bubble bath very relaxing at bed time. My vice is watching rubbish on my iPad in bed. I have the screen switched to blue light and I haven't found that stops me drifting off. If I wake up I put the world service on as I find it quite soothing. I also have an aromatherapy lavender twig diffuser thing in my bedroom. Ridiculously expensive but smells nice and won't advertise them here, but pm me for further details if interested.

TheLeadbetterLife · 28/06/2021 19:53

I'm actually not that hung up on BMI -- I've been more focussed on waist to height ratio, as apparently that's more important for health indicators. Funnily enough though, because I have an hourglass shape, the waist size is dropping at about the same rate as my BMI. I'm at the upper end of healthy waist to height ratio, but I want to get a few more cm off for leeway.

Brilliant going from 34.7 to 28 in such a short time! It's taken me well over a decade.

I hear you on the molehills - the big adventures and work challenges I can handle just fine. It's the little, everyday things that are outside of my control which set me off.

I'm an owl rather than a lark, so working from home allows me to sleep in for a couple of hours if I've had a bad night. Often my brain works better in the evening, so now that I can carry on working late, knowing that I don't have to get up and go into an office, I can relax.

AIBConsiderate · 28/06/2021 21:09

Am a third of the way through the first thread and I'm finding it really helpful to clarify and re-remember the guidance that the book sets out. No idea if the conversation has moved on, but in particular the useful tips I've picked up on:

  • someone pointed out that you don't need to get too bogged down in omega 3/6 ratio - even just eliminating the processed crap will sort 90% of that for you.
  • a 'bad' meal is not going to have long term consequences. Pick yourself up and move on, the important thing is to reset habits.
  • just don't even go there with the GF food Grin

I've been meal planning for the week, I made a chicken curry and rice tonight, other meals are going to be fish piccata with lemon potatoes, spanakorizo and meatballs, paprika pork, and miso aubergine. I'm working from home and cooking is my meditation at the mo - it's the lunches and breakfasts that I struggle to plan and cook.

I'll pop back and pick up the chat once I'm up to date.

LifestyleReset · 28/06/2021 21:39

My first weigh in today (6 days in, started last Tuesday but like to weigh on a Monday) and I'm 3.5lb down!

That includes a chip shop chicken kebab. I've eaten well and not really been hungry at all. This week I want to focus more on drinking plenty. I bought a bar of 70% dark chocolate last Tuesday and I still have 1/5th left!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 28/06/2021 21:52

Checking in quickly - bad week with some poor choices, for no particular reason! I’m back on it today, though.

L: Salami and mozzarella salad, bit of hummus, loads of cherry tomatoes
D: Baked sweet potato, leftover roast pork, more tomatoes, cucumber, grated cheese, mustard mayo
P: Raspberries and cream.

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Billybagpuss · 28/06/2021 22:14

AIBU yesterday we had roast beef, and I made Yorkshire puddings and it occurred to me they are actually more protein (milk and eggs) than carbs as there’s hardly any flour
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Am I clutching at straws here 😂

TheLeadbetterLife · 28/06/2021 22:34

Have you experimented with different flours? I’ve found gram flour makes fabulous batter.

Aria999 · 28/06/2021 22:51

@Billybagpuss

I would be fine with Yorkshires!

A lot of the point of this is to have fun and make changes that fit in with your lifestyle so I feel like some compromise is very much in the spirit of it.

I still had my weekly croissant for breakfast but filled it with cheese and apple instead of honey.

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