Why We Eat (Too Much) Thread 2

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Shiny new thread to continue on with! I hope everyone keeps going.

For any newbies, this thread is based on a book by Dr Andrew Jenkinson. The main principles are to cut out sugar, wheat and ultra-processed foods, while eating fresh natural ingredients. It works!

Previous thread: thread 1

Hello all,
Just caught up with the thread - (I struggle to visit every day because, well, life...)
Lots of positives shining through.

This has been the first week when I have been totally committed. I've had wheat once - we always have pizza on a Tuesday and I want to keep life as normal as possible. Eventually I'll experiment with different pizza bases etc but for now the whole point of pizza night is that I don't cook. DH does.
Other than dropping wheat and processed sugar I haven't restricted my eating. If I'm hungry I eat although I try to do so slowly and mindfully. I may have become addicted to rice cakes and cream cheese.......
Over this week I've dropped 1.5lbs. I have about 7 stone to lose so its going to be a long journey and that's fine.
NSVs (Non Scale Victories) this week have included
*a reduction in bloating
*slight lifting of the 'brain fog' that has plagued me since I was ill Christmas 2019
*my jumps are higher in my dance class and I can manage a whole dance without wanting to die. This is good as I have/had (Covid restrictions dependent) a competition on 10th July.
*there was cake in the staff room today and I looked at it, thought 'meh' and ate an apple instead.

I Just feel BETTER.

I have gone a bit bonkers with cheese and butter because it feels so rare to be 'allowed' them! But the novelty will wear off.

(I'm currently being a rebel over nuts as I do so love them and they are great when I am feeling stabby with hunger. I don't eat many - 10 cashews or 3 or 4 pecans. I may have a slight problem with peanut butter but the one I like is literally peanuts, peanut oil and salt and I no longer eat it out of the jar with a spoon so that's a change........)

Evening all. Barbecue went well and the only bread I ate was a low carb roll (I spent a lot on them and they need using up!) and I did have a couple of cans of San pellegrino limonata which I am currently addicted to, but I watered it half and half with soda (and vodka) so that's progress! I must NOT buy any more, though.

Breakfast - strawberries, natural yogurt and sprinkle of crushed flaxseed/hempseed/chia mix.
Lunch - salad, leftover potato salad, leftover veg skewer and barbecued chicken with mayo (not homemade unfortunately).
Dinner - salad with goats cheese, more leftover potato and more leftover barbecued chicken with homemade dressing.

Off for a swim now.

@JeffVaderneedsatray another nut lover here, well unsalted almonds and cashews to be exact. I wish I could stop at 10. I can eat 100g only too easily!

Are there any nuts that are ok? Walnuts possibly?

No, I thought walnuts were OK as they are rich in omega 3 but they have more omega 6 in than 3. Dr J réservés a special mention for them in his book near the end.

These are all the nut ratios vegfaqs.com/omega-3-to-6-fat-ratio-nuts/

I think the ‘autumn food’ issue applies with nuts too but I’m not 100%.

According to that list, the best nuts for Om3:6 ratio are

Macadamia nuts
Walnuts
Peanuts

Sorry not peanuts - That should say pecans

@BangingOn

These are all the nut ratios vegfaqs.com/omega-3-to-6-fat-ratio-nuts/

I think the ‘autumn food’ issue applies with nuts too but I’m not 100%.

Yes it does, Dr J was adamant about that. He also said it was an unproven theory, whereas it is an proven theory that nuts are a rich source of fibre and are good for your gut microbiome 😀so it's a rule I break on this woe.

I’ve got some hempseed oil in the fridge which I use on food, or mix with balsamic and dress salads with it. It’s quite fragile stuff, so buy small bottles, keep in the fridge and consume within a month.

It’s just another alternative to chia seeds on the quest to up the omega 3!

Am I the only one that gets frustrated by all the advice on all of the other weight related threads on here. I avoid posting because I know I’ll be roasted for saying, noooo you’re all wrong, just cut processed sugar and processed foods, eat what the hell you want as long as you make it from scratch and don’t use too much vegetable oil because of the O6.

I find myself thinking the same @Billybagpuss, but don't feel that I'm in a position to criticise quite yet seeing as I'm still in the early stages of this WoE. I know the other diets work short-term (because I've done them) but the issue is with long-term results.

I also know that this WoE works short-term (because I'm seeing the results right now) but until I prove it leads to long-lasting weight-loss I don't feel I can really say anything more than suggest it as an alternative.

I'm hoping that I will be able to speak from personal experience in a few months' time of how this WoE allowed me to lose weight and maintain at a stable, healthy weight without having to count and measure everything.

But I agree, it is frustrating to read of all the pointless restrictions people are convinced will work magic for them.

I've had a good couple of days. I'm not aiming for weight loss, but I am feeling like my energy is better as a result of eating better, and sugar cravings are slowly subsiding.

I haven't cut out all wheat like the book recommends, just cut down and am sticking to whole wheat products which aren't super-processed. I also haven't cut out seeds.

I'm allergic to nuts though, so don't have to worry about those! No temptation to eat them whatsoever.

I've also started taking an omega 3 supplement, on top of the diet changes. I figure it can't do me any real harm.

@Billybagpuss oh my, yes. The photo thread in particular, people posting photos of tiny portions or only 2 meals, accompanied by a ‘treat’ such as a chocolate bar. Apart from the fact it’s not nutritious, it making things way harder by triggering cravings.

I also feel I can’t really say too much because what do I know? But the obsession with calorie counting is sad to see, when we know it doesn’t work long term.

I have done both WW and SW diets. I remember people would scrimp on healthy nutritious food in order to save points for treats. WW was far worse, but even in my SW group people were addicted to muller lights and SW cake bars. I remember thinking back then, how messed up that was.

For me, both WW and SW encouraged me to develop an unhealthy obsession with food. I was thinking about/ planning food intake all day long. It kind of took over my life.

I don’t think about food as much on this diet. Although I am trying to be more mindful and part of that approach is to post on here / weigh myself daily to keep motivated. However I’m not sat here hungry/ thinking about what my next snack / meal will be. It’s going to be whatever in the fridge takes my fancy. What’s on the meal plan for dinner. I have cleared my house of crap, so I can eat anything I want and don’t need to deprive myself. That’s quite a revelation for me!!

Ok, probably TMI but I wondered whether anyone else is suffering with BO? I have never had this problem before, I put deodorant on and wouldn’t be smelly unless I’m doing rigorous exercise. I know it’s hot, but I have noticed it. My husband can’t notice thank goodness, so it’s not that bad. I read Keto diets can have this side effect (I also have a dry mouth) but I’m not doing Keto. I’m still eating rice, potatoes, lots of veg and fruit. So I assumed I wouldn’t be entering ketosis.

Oops just noticed I called it a diet up thread- I meant way of eating! I’ve dieted on/off for 20 years so it’s quite a mindset shift!

@Ifyoubelieveyouwill Yes, I think that I might be a bit more than usual (some of my tops have needed an extra wash to get them fresh again!). Had wondered if it could be hormonal. Hadn't considered that it could be anything to do with what I was eating although, like you, I'm sure I can't be in ketosis.

@RagzReturnsRebooted I've been drinking lemon squash with fizzy water recently and that is really nice. Wonder if that could make an acceptable substitute to help wean you off the San Pellegrino.

Both WW and SW are based on the principle of calorie counting.
The fact both organizations are so rich is proof that the diets don't work 😂😂
It's pointless telling anyone on the other weight loss threads that calorie counting is not the best way to lose weight. I tried once. Won't bother again.

[quote TrevorTheMushroom]@RagzReturnsRebooted I've been drinking lemon squash with fizzy water recently and that is really nice. Wonder if that could make an acceptable substitute to help wean you off the San Pellegrino.[/quote]
Thanks, if I can find one without any really nasty sweeteners, I will give it a go. Was considering just adding lemon juice to fizzy water!

@Ifyoubelieveyouwill

Ok, probably TMI but I wondered whether anyone else is suffering with BO? I have never had this problem before, I put deodorant on and wouldn’t be smelly unless I’m doing rigorous exercise. I know it’s hot, but I have noticed it. My husband can’t notice thank goodness, so it’s not that bad. I read Keto diets can have this side effect (I also have a dry mouth) but I’m not doing Keto. I’m still eating rice, potatoes, lots of veg and fruit. So I assumed I wouldn’t be entering ketosis.

Oops just noticed I called it a diet up thread- I meant way of eating! I’ve dieted on/off for 20 years so it’s quite a mindset shift!

Please forgive me if I’m being presumptuous, but are you of an age where you’re likely to be hitting peri menopause, that completely changes your body and the odour is far more likely to be hormones changes than eating plain healthy food.

@Billybagpuss

Am I the only one that gets frustrated by all the advice on all of the other weight related threads on here. I avoid posting because I know I’ll be roasted for saying, noooo you’re all wrong, just cut processed sugar and processed foods, eat what the hell you want as long as you make it from scratch and don’t use too much vegetable oil because of the O6.

Not just you! I was at a friend's house this weekend and she was cooking with Frylite sprays and using low fat everything, while having processed white rolls and specially fat-reduced longlife milk. She's on Slimming World and her kitchen was filled with magazines with recipes telling you how many syns they contain. She said that she tries to save her syns for milk chocolate etc and I was biting my tongue! The trouble with SW or any low fat food, is that you can't eat out without breaking the diet, because restaurants etc don't do it. Whereas the nicer the restaurant, the better the ingredients and in general, the lower in carbs, so I can eat out on this WOE with relative ease (with the exception of cheap pubs that do burgers, sandwiches or everything deep-fried in vegetable oil and nothing else). I get really annoyed when people on weight loss threads spout "a calorie is a calorie" - I thought it was fairly well established by now that that's not true!

My weekend was not WOE compliant - I was staying with the aforesaid friend and I didn't want to put her to any trouble. Also, I had a ridiculous amount to drink, so saying that I didn't want bread seemed silly! I ate a handful of Haribo and crisps and burger buns and a buttery. Butteries are the food of the gods and I only eat them when I go home to Aberdeenshire. They probably aren't that bad for this diet - they're mainly flour, lard, salt and butter, as far as I know, and they came from the proper baker, being a niche Aberdonian thing, so they can't be that processed.

I've been back on it since yesterday morning, but haven't weighed yet. Today's meals:

Breakfast: nectarine
Lunch: Bacon, eggs, smoked mackerel, Portobello mushrooms and tomatoes
Dinner: Salmon, baby potatoes, cherry tomatoes and whatever green veg is lurking in the fridge.

Can anyone tell me are raisins and dried fruit OK?

my typical day's eating
B: full-fat greek yog with fresh or frozen berries, nuts and seeds (I know these are not encouraged but I'm using up what I've got!)
L: Spiralised courgette and carrot with homemade veg pasta sauce
D: 2 boiled eggs, grilled chicken or bacon, tomatoes, cucumber, radishes and spinach leaves

I'm still drinking diet coke to ward off sugar cravings but will try to taper off this