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New Year Low Carb Bootcamp

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BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas · 29/12/2012 21:30

Hope you all had a lovely Christmas, and that Santa brought you everything that you deserved! Xmas Grin

By now, I'm guessing that many of us will be rather tired of chocolates and stodgy food. Mince pie anyone? Xmas Wink

So. The next low carb Bootcamp will be starting on 7 January. It will run for 10 weeks, which will take us to mid-March. The idea of Bootcamp is that we have an initial strict fortnight, which will see a significant amount of weight loss, followed by a more relaxed 8 weeks.

Overall, if you follow the rules, you can expect to lose anything up to 20lbs in this time period.

So who is in?

If you want to join us, add your name to the list and tell us what your aims/objectives are.

I will start ...

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NoveltySlippers · 31/12/2012 14:08

Hi BIWI Thanks a lot for taking the time to look into that! Thanks

Yes - there's no way of knowing whether LC will cause me further dry eye, without trying it first; my worry was just that I daren't risk exacerbating it as dry eye can be pretty awful and is something that I have really struggled with.

So, I just wanted to know whether - if I erred on the side of caution and took in a few carbs - I could still be included in boot camp.

I totally understand that taking in any grains runs counter to the whole ethos. I just wondered if it would interfere with fat loss entirely, or just slow it down.

Re. the causation though - I read the Barry Groves link, and it says that while omega 3 fatty acids can reduce the risk of dry eye, omega 6s increase the risk. This may be why people have problems, and it's not related to loss of water. (I just read that on the internet about water loss and LC - no idea if it's true....such is the 'power' of the internet!).

I just had a look at foods very high in omega 6 though, and these are chicken skin, bacon, pork, eggs, butter, avocados. So basically staples of low carb foods. Erk! There also seem to be too many people on LC forums complaining about dry eye that are making me think I should just be cautious (though I did see on the link you sent that others report they've been fine).

I think on this basis though, I will err on the side of caution and probably look into Zoe Harcombe or Charles Clark (thanks for the tips MulledGless).

I won't probably then take part in the bootcamp as I will feel a bit of a charlatan as I won't be properly low carbing with the rest of you!

Thanks for all your help though, good luck and have lots of fun. I remain envious of being able to go gung ho low carb!

herecomesthsun · 31/12/2012 14:10

I would like to join as well. I have had 2 pregnancies with gestational diabetes, have been diagnosed with PCOS and have a family history of diabetes on both mum and dad's side. I want to ward off the diabetes for as long as possible. I am visualising this as the opportunity to do everything I can to get to see my children graduate/ married/ have kids etc.

I was back to my pre-pregnancy weight within 6 weeks of having my daughter in Feb. I was told that I did not have diabetes post birth. I have lost a further stone since November and was approx 13 stone 1 lb according to my scales this am. I need to lose 1 stone to get back to a BMI of 25 and a further stone to get to a BMI of 23, which would be the safer weight wrt reducing the risk of diabetes developing further.

I am planning to go back to my doctor to get another Glucose tolerance test in Feb, which will be a year post birth, and I would like to have my weight down as far as possible by then. If only because it is a really good motivator! And still being on maternity leave is helpful from the POV of buying, measuring out and cooking a slightly different diet.

BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas · 31/12/2012 14:16

As I approach the first anniversary of starting this WOE, perhaps my 'story' will help illustrate how low carbing can become a WOE and WOL - way of life.

I started the year weighing 11 stone 5.5lbs. As I'm only 5 foot 2 inches, and quite petite, this was pretty hefty, and I was already beginning to see some of the size 14 clothes I had had to buy beginning to strain at the seams. My last weigh-in of the Little Black Dress Bootcamp saw me reach 9 stone 3.75lbs. It has taken me just short of a year to lose 2 stones.

That sounds like a long time, but during that year I have:

  • continued to drink alcohol at the weekend; mainly wine, sometimes rum and soda and occasionally gin and slimline tonic (try to avoid the latter because there is some suggestion that artificial sweeteners are implicated in weight gain)
  • continued to drink alcohol during the week if I go out. This has probably been once a fortnight, on average
  • had various weekends away where low carbing has not been possible (including a weekend in Rome and another in Lille with DH), or dinners at friends where everything served has been high in carbs
  • had a two week family holiday where I ate whatever I wanted

I also signed up to a personal trainer, and I see him for some fairly brutal gym-based exercise twice a week. I also try and go at least once a week on my own if I can manage it. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

What I have learnt is that in the long term you will lose the weight, if you return to low carbing for most of the time. This WOE isn't as forgiving as a low calorie or low fat diet, and you have to plan ahead and be prepared. But the odd slip-up isn't going to sabotage you too much. But. You do have to be disciplined, and get back on the wagon as soon as you can. Carbs are horribly addictive, and once they creep back in, you can find yourself consuming more and more, sometimes without really realising just how many!

Things that have really helped me, especially in the beginning:

  • weighing my veg to work out how many carbs I'm actually eating. Although Bootcamp rules are based on not counting carbs, it can be a really good idea to start with to do this, just so you have a better fix on carb counts. We probably all know how many calories are in things, but have little real idea how many carbs are in things.
  • I keep my own spreadsheet of my weight, and I weigh daily. I use the spreadsheet like a graph - filling in the cell that I have reached with a colour, so I have a visual record of my loss/gains. That helps enormously. Weighing daily isn't for everyone, because you also have to recognise that even if you have been really good, sometimes your weight will go up, for no apparent reason. However, for me, it keeps me focused. And if you look at the spreadsheet as a whole, you do begin to see the overall, downward trend. When you're so much 'in the zone', sometimes you can start to obsess about your weight over the last couple of weeks and if it's not going well, which sometimes it won't, you can forget the bigger picture - i.e. that you are losing weight - just, perhaps, more slowly than you want to!
  • I have a shirt that I really wanted to wear, but was way too tight. Every now and then I would try it on again, to see how it fitted. The way your clothes fit (or don't!), is a much more accurate way of assessing your achievement than the number on the scales. (Bear in mind that if you are exercising, muscle weighs more than fat, so your weight could go up despite the fact that your body will be leaner and more toned)
  • I kept a food diary, on a daily basis, of everything that I had eaten, and what I had drunk. It really helps to keep you focused if you're writing it all down, and also helps you to identify - if all isn't going to plan - what might be contributing to that. I learnt, for example, that cream is not my friend, and can impede weight loss for me
  • accept the fact that weight loss is totally unpredictable! I went for ages losing very slowly - then suddenly lost 3lbs. Nothing to do with what I was doing. It can be frustrating, especially if you're hoping to lose a certain amount each week.
  • make small targets - they are much more achievable, and it's more satisfying. So don't start by thinking "I've got to lose 2 stones". Start by focusing on the first half stone.
  • read about low carbing. Either books (many have already been referenced on this thread) or blogs or websites. You will get a lot of criticism from other people about low carbing - usually from people who haven't read anything about it, but just regurgitate what the media have been telling them - particularly on the basis of the amount of fat you will be eating, how this is a fad diet, didn't Dr Atkins die of a heart attack in the end?*, etc. You need to understand what you are doing and why.

(*No, he slipped on the ice)

But above all, the thing that keeps me doing this is the fact that I can eat enjoyable food. I know that my diet is much better now, and I eat plenty of veg and salad. It's 'cleaner', in that by jettisoning all that low fat/low cal stuff, I'm consuming far fewer artificial ingredients. And the reading I have done about low carb has really persuaded me that, as well as weight loss, this is a far, far better way to eat for long term health. Low carbing is implicated in a number of serious conditions I really want to avoid, especially as other members of my family either suffer from them (diabetes, Alzheimers) or have died from them (cancer).

I not only want to be slim as I grow old (I'm 53 now), but I want to be healthy and enjoy my old age.

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MulledwineGless · 31/12/2012 14:16

Novelty please keep,posting on Bootcamp - what's a slice of bread between friends! There are a few long term posters who do/ have done Zoe Harcombe who can help you on your journey and others who are doing slight variations. The main thing is the support to get you through it! All welcome

sybilfaulty · 31/12/2012 14:30

Thanks for your story BIWI, and for keeping us on track. I've enjoyed the last 6 months of threads and am looking forward to the next boot camp.

Just eaten 2 chocs. Boo! But previously would have been the white tin!

Happy new year everyone

NoveltySlippers · 31/12/2012 14:42

Thanks BIWI for your story - that's very inspirational.
(And being just under 5'3" I totally empathise with the need to shift the extra pounds at that height!) Good tips and really helpful to have a realistic assessment of the process.

Mulledwinegless many thanks for your support Smile - I am reading up on Zoe Harcombe right now and seeing what she says. I suppose I want to figure out how I can balance the extra few carbs while maintaining the high fat without piling on the pounds. I'll be back!

captainmummy · 31/12/2012 14:45

BIWI - Low carbing is implicated in a number of serious conditions I really want to avoid, especially as other members of my family either suffer from them (diabetes, Alzheimers) or have died from them (cancer). = Did you mean this?

Novelty - there is no reason you can't low-er carb, cutting out obvious baddies, like sugar, flour-products, potatoes,rice. My dp does this and is still losing weight (6kg so far since aug, eating porridge, occasionally potatoes, fruit once a day) and there is a poster on here (can't rememeber who) who does a version of low-carbing, with a few more carbs than the rest of us.

To whoever asked if you put the weight back on afterwards - If you do this with the mindset of going back to eat 'normally' after losing the weight, then yes you probably will. Thing is tho, that you shouldn't want eat the carby stuff - I am probably going into maintainance now, with only a few lb to go, and I have no desire to eat pasta, flour, sugar or any other cheap filler. I'd much rather open the fridge and eat good, whole food, not mucked-about crap. Not saying I'll never have a slice of toast again, but I can't actually see why I'd want to....

FurryDogMother · 31/12/2012 14:46

Maintenance is much harder than weight loss. About 7 years ago I lost 5 stone on low carb, and kept it off for 3 years - but then got complacent, and the dreaded 'carb creep' happened - it started with a pizza on my birthday because I 'deserved' it, then went on to some brown bread with a prawn salad - and then the carb cravings kicked in, and within a year I'd put the weight back on. Took me until this August to get my act together again.

This time I know that I have to actively maintain the loss, once I get there, and I can't allow many carbs in my way of eating. When maintaining, I can have some higher carb vegetables, but never bread, pastry, rice, pasta etc. It says a lot for low carb that I managed to stick with it for over 3 years - it really is a sustainable way of eating, once you get into the swing of it. I was working out (cardio and weights alternately) 6 days a week in the gym for some of that time, too, never had any problems with lack of energy or strength.

I'm glad to see people recommending and reading Gary Taubes - his books are brilliant - 'Why We Get Fat (and what to do about it)' is the easiest to read, and makes it very easy to understand the science behind the diet. Once you know why you're eating this way, and how various foods affect your metabolism, it's easier to make correct food choices.

Anyway, tonight's my last boozy night before I buckle down to this - and I can't get to a set of scales until Friday, so will start properly on the 7th, with everyone else!

BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas · 31/12/2012 15:06

Captainmummy - yes. Is it a surprise?

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TheHumancatapult · 31/12/2012 15:08

You may find after not eating bread /gluten for a while that you can't eat it I no longer can without horrendous cramps and I no longer crave it either

captainmummy · 31/12/2012 15:09

Low -carbing is implicated in serious conditions like cancer and diabetes? Why are you doing it then?

Will you stop low-carbing when you get to target?

Is low-cal/low-fat actually healthier, in which case?

BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas · 31/12/2012 15:13

Sorry Blush. Doing too many things at once - obviously I meant carbs and a high carb diet!

Sorry!

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BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas · 31/12/2012 15:17

An important correction:

High carb diets are implicated in a number of serious conditions I really want to avoid, especially as other members of my family either suffer from them (diabetes, Alzheimers) or have died from them (cancer).

Thanks for spotting captainmummy

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captainmummy · 31/12/2012 15:39

Phewwww!

Thanks for that, BIWI - had horrible visions of having to go back to low-fat mayo and a future with no cheese.....

MrsHerculePoirot · 31/12/2012 15:40

novelty stay with us pleeeeeerease! you could try bootcamp hardcore for a bit and see if it affects eyes or not and if it does add in a few carbs as you are suggesting. If you decide to bootcamp light it straight away thn that is fine too - tbh I think we all find our own individual pathways through the lc way as we all know out own bodies the best.

MrsHerculePoirot · 31/12/2012 15:52

Novelty I had a very quick google - the main links seems to be lack of vitamin A and dehydration - maybe if you keep an eye (no pun intended!) on those two things whilst lowering carbs perhaps that will help?

NewStartSameStory · 31/12/2012 15:58

I agree with MrsHP Stay put novelty the support is amazing and they are not a bunch of all or nothing people (although you might need to put in a reminder with food lists that you are doing light rather then bootcamping during those weeks as biwi is very strict)

I have fallen off the wagon and the carbs have crept in the last few days as has the coke. I have severe stomach cramp today and feeling really yucky. Thankfully ds has requested sausages, sausages in bacon and sausage rolls for his treaty tea tonight. Mind you there is cake also. Otoh it is a painful reminder as to why this diet works for me. Well that and the migraine i woke up with. :(

Going to have to try to be back on the straight and narrow tomo. And will start early I think.

Pinot · 31/12/2012 16:01

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sweetfluffybunnies · 31/12/2012 16:01

Just come across this thread, please can I join in? Never done low carb before so it's all new to me and a bit daunting, but it seems to crop up a lot and I've tried so many diets that haven't worked, I need something new and different.

I saw a relative at a family gathering yesterday whom I hadn't seen for 6 months. I commented on how trim she was looking and guess what? She's on a low carb diet!

I have a lot to lose but realistically if I could lose a stone in a couple of months I would be ecstatic. We are hoping to go skiing next Xmas and I would love to be able to give it a go without looking like an elephant and feeling totally unfit.

Big problem at the moment though is all the leftover chocolate and nibbles from Xmas! I guess I'll leave it until Sunday and then bin anything that's left.

Looking forward to getting started nowSmile

Pinot · 31/12/2012 16:02

biwi!
BIWI!
BIWI!

Following on from flashing my wobbly bits at you on twitter (or was it FB?), I am HERE and I am READY to be SLIMMER and I am using CAPITALS willy NILLY.

HumphreyCobbler · 31/12/2012 16:18

thanks for the story BIWI.

I am one of those who had to give up dairy and artificial sweeteners in order to lose weight (after a bloody long stall) and I find that I am still eating really delicious food. One other point that I notice is that I do not lose weight if I am taking regular painkillers - I read on one of the links that you posted that this may be the case, so this is a really good incentive to only take paracetemol if I REALLY need it instead of slightly needing it.

Both my DH and I are following this WOE or we will be again after tomorrow and I can't see us ever eating bread/sugar regularly again.

thenightsky · 31/12/2012 16:33

Are we allowed this sort of stuff when we are in the maintenance stage?

cocolepew · 31/12/2012 16:42

Hello Pinot Smile

Thanks to everyone for sharing their stories and tips, it really helps. I have a pair if trousers,I want to fit into. A few years ago I was wearing them in the summer, by tghe next summer there was no hope of them even going past my tighs.

I went onto Citalopram in the Febuary and the weight piled on. I think I craved carbs,even more on it. I never felt full IYSWIM?

I came off it over the summer but was waiting for a hysterectomy and was in a lot of pain. My womb was the size of an 8 month prgnancy by the time I had my op. My pelvis also was twisted completely out of line (hence my still sore hip). I also had PCOS with caused me to be insulin resistant.

My oestopath is having trouble getyigetting ng the hip joint back in because there is too much fluid around it. She keeps telling me to low carb. She also does a lot of chinese/alternative medicine and apparently my metabolism is rubbish Shock.

Too many carbs has also caused me to have adrenal fatigue.

I have been coming of sugar and wheat, periodically, for about 20 years!

timidviper · 31/12/2012 16:44

coco If you have had a lot of antibiotics they may have disturbed the balance of intestinal flora. Low carbing should help this re-establish as reducing sugars and carbs keeps down the candida and other yeasts in the gut which is healthier.

froufrou Panic not! I am still heavier than you are and I lost 2 stone on the last bootcamp to get here! I put my weight on the spreadsheet as 100 and count down from that as I am still not comfortable putting my real weight on there. (I'm still claiming I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you!)

novelty I have just finished reading this which is lowish carb but has a potato each day which she says maintains beta-endorphin levels that help stabilise mood and appetite. May be worth a look if you are concerned about low carb.

timidviper · 31/12/2012 16:49

Coco X-posted with you there!
"Your Last Diet" by Kathleen Desmaisons (she also wrote The Sugar Addicts Diet) that I linked above for novelty might also be of interest to you.

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