When shall we three meet again? The not quite NT, not quite weightloss thread ......

[moosemama]

We were full up ladies, so we finally have our very own weightloss-ish thread!

I just saw this and thought who's making jokes about not being quite NT. Then I realised it was you lot .

I might come and visit in a few weeks. I have 10-12 lbs or so I want to lose. Need to get me some anti-ds first and get in the right place. :)

Hello Ben

at you coming here ready to tell us all off.

We started off as a typical weightloss thread, 2 stone to lose or summat, then gradually frightened all the non MNSN posters off until there was just me, Lambskin and Madwoman, then the lovely TLP joined us.

Lamby has hit her target, but pops back occasionally. I managed to drop 3 stone and then spectactularly lost the will to diet so am desperately trying to get back on track.

Do come and join us. As you can see, we talk far more about our dcs and anything and everything really than we ever do about weight!

Madwoman, I managed to stick to my detox until yesterday when it all went spectactularly 't*ts' up with ds's statement and the school (see Friday Night thread for more details, as am way to tired to type it all again) and that, coupled with Jubilee baking resulted in me falling off the wagon again.

BUT, I am weighing in at 158.2, which isn't bad considering I was 162.7 at the beginning of the week, especially as I have been so ill with wall to wall migraine type heads and lots of neuro symptoms, including losing all sensation down my left arm and leg, which was a tad disturbing to say the least. I've also had a ridiculously busy week

Well done on your pound loss TLP and you really do deserve that, as yours is proper weightloss, whereas mine is just water loss, so doesn't really count. You're losing nice and steadily, which is absolutely the right way. It's how my 3 stone came off and even though I'm up a little now, the 3 stone appears to be staying off, despite my not being very virtuous with my eating habits.

I read the eating more to lose more thread as well and have read the stuff on MFP about it a few times and been tempted, but it all feels a bit too scary for me to take the leap. I did have to up my intake from 1200 to 1450 at one point last year though to boost weight loss, so I'm convinced it's them and not me that's on the right path.

hi Ben, lol at you having to check the thread out to make sure we weren't taking the piss with the title . Think we all know that life and pesky school/kid stuff can get in the way of exercise/weight loss etc so feel free to natter away anyway.

Moose - it just feels right somehow, the don't starve stuff, as it was much easier to eat normally and stay a healthy weight before the starve/binge cycle started, but it is v scary going against the received diet wisdom.

Sorry to hear youve had a bad week with nasty neuro type symptoms, I hope you feel better this weekend. Will check out the friday night fred in a mo.

oi, moose, did you call your consultant mid episode?

Ok, lecture over. Boy, lady, you have had a pisser of a week. Hope the ep comes through for you x

...and ooooooooooooooooo, another recruit! Ben, I'm really crap at weightloss. I'll tell you upfront, so you don't expect miracles. I really do try, but rl gets in the way, and I go round in circles. Despite the lack of progress on the actual weight loss front, I've made some good and positive changes to exercise levels and foodery, so baby steps in the right direction.

Er ... nope. In my defence, I was in no fit state to call anyone and the worst symptoms were overnight so couldn't call her anyway.

Actually, I have been having godawful nights with lots of neuro stuff happening and very little sleep. Read up a bit last night and it seems to all tie in with MS. Also managed to figure out that my head pain this week has been cluster headaches rather than migraines, which explains why it didn't feel like my other migraines and had no aura. Again, cluster headaches are apparently pretty common among MS sufferers.

I think I've been in denial about all the MS stuff really, but what's happening at the moment has all the hallmarks of a relapse, so I guess it's getting harder to hide from.

I am due an appointment from my neuro in the next month or so. Don't think what's happening at the moment is bad enough for me to want to be stuck on iv steroids, so I will wait and go through it with her at that appointment, unless it gets worse and becomes unbearable.

I have to be honest though. Trying to detox and diet with all this going on is so hard, I've ended up having a scone for breakfast this morning, because it was the only thing that didn't need any preparation and dh is out with the dcs buying my birthday presents.

Am very at not being able to just get stuck back into exercise and healthy eating. I didn't worry when I was eating lots of crap recently, because I thought I could easily pull it back, but now I'm regretting every mouthful and wondering how long it's going to be before I can get back on track.

I did wonder whether you might have had worries re:MS and a relapse, Moose, but didn't want to mention it till you felt ready to iyswim . May still be worth you speaking to neuro to see if they'ld want to bring the appointment forward at all, you don't have to agree to IV, etc, I know it's hard to resist the "professionals" but if you've tried it and not benefited from it then its a reasonable call for you to make.

In terms of detox/weightloss etc - you have to do something sustainable with your lifestyle, however much we all dream of losing all the weight in 3 months of hard work, it has to be for the long haul, so it gets kept off. So it needs to be lesser changes that fit in with your life. A scone really isn't too bad in the scheme of things. Not perfect (well unless it's wholemeal ), but as cakes go it's relatively low fat and relatively unprocessed. Scone is one of the few cakes I allow myself these days. You need to be kinder to yourself, write off the recent crap, make now your baseline to go forward again with the healthy eating etc.

Thanks TLP. I know I'm probably being daft about not contacting the neuro. I just want to see whether or not it's going to be a minor/short-lived relapse rather than a full blown one before I get the docs involved. I am so sick of hospitals and appointments.

The scone had a dollop of jam and jersey clotted cream on.

no need to whisper. Was it very delicious? I spent about an hour the other day wandering around the supermarket in search of scones, jam and cream and came back empty handed... They weren't even for me, but for the blasted English/ multicultural things at the schools. Hence the cucumber sandwiches and strawbs and cream!

Are you any further forward with your referral re the EDS type thing? You sound as though you are leaning away from that and back towards MS again. I'm in no position to lecture. I haven't had my lab follow up redone re the kidney thing yet. Or gone back to the opticians to get the follow up done on the potential hole in the retina... So it was only a. very small lecture.

Our ezydog stuff came yesterday. it's very clever. Dh was here and so he got the inaugural walks etc, I've not used it in anger.mblack dog was reet pissed off with the harness, v funny. He got it on and then very deliberately turned his back on dh and sat down. Wouldn't even look at him. When dh called his name, he still ignored him - fixedly staring into the distance,mwith his whole body saying 'I am not talking to you'. We were laughing a bit. He then turned round and gave dh 'the look' that Ds uses when he is mega pissed. We were rolling on the floor practically.

He did forgive him when we then took him out for a walk. V successful. Just a case of getting used to it I think! Mind you, he's gone to the vets this morning for his annual check and his vaccs, so i suspect that might put the downer on the rest of his day!

Have a quiet weekend, moose. Could dh or your mum do some food prep for you to make your choices easier? I really wouldn't push it too hard with the detox side, it can't be helping the headaches etc, even if it isn't the actual root cause iykwim. Sometimes we have to prioritise, and health will have to be this weekend's focus? You have three less stone as testament to your weight loss priority. You'll be able to get back on track again once this episode passes x

Hi madwoman.

I think it was tasty, but to be honest felt a bit too rough to appreciate it.

I was just saying to dh last night that we haven't heard any more about ds2's EDS vs BHJS investigations. I was so sure I'd found the link and that EDS would explain everything for me, right up until I started to relapse. Struggling now, as this relapse is pretty textbook MS. Of course it could be both. I have read a few articles and one study recently that says there is a 10-11 times increased prevalence of cases of EDS in MS patients compared to the general population.

Dh reckons I should call ds2's paed's secretary and ask what's happening. I've also wondered about emailing the family history that screams EDS to the lead guy for EDS in the UK Prof Graham and ask whether he thinks it's worth pushing for a referral and who to, as he is apparently very approachable and other people have contacted him by email and had a positive response.

Anyhoo, lecture right backatcha, in a kind of I'll maybe go if you do sort of a way!

Had to laugh at blackdog and his filthy look! Lurcher boy does that when he's not happy with us, boy can that dog hold a grudge. Glad the first walk was successful, hope the Ezydog stuff helps with your shoulder.

There is no way my Mum would prepare food for me, she seriously hates cooking and well er, that can sometimes come over in the food iyswim. She makes a mean sandwich though. Dh is doing a fine job at the moment, but him and the kids were on a mission to buy my birthday presents this morning and have now gone to view a replacement campervan door. Bless him, he bravely took all three dcs into town this morning to give me some peace and now has both boys with him at the vee dub garage while dd is sleeping. Ds1 really didn't want to go to the garage though and had a full on screaming tantrum about it before they left, which hasn't really helped my noggin all that much. I am appreciating the peace and quiet, but could do with someone to fetch and carry for me. [moany and never satisfied emoticon]

even I wouldn't fancy a wholemeal scone tbh, it would have to be massively loaded with dried fruit to be edible. jam I fully approve on on a scone, as a fat free alternative to butter/marge. Clotted cream, well, my lips are sealed.

Moose - sounds like your DH is right about chasing up the various EDS related stuff, see if you feel up to it next week. And I will give Madwoman a small lecture about following up her eyes and kidneys, seeing as they are fairly significant. I on the other hand am clearly seen a borderline hypocondriac, given how underwhelmed the GP was by my recent complaints of back pain and pins and needles

i love 'underwhelmed'. it's one of my fave expressions and i never use it, but it makes me proper laugh.

email him, moose. g'wan. then it's out of your hands. decision made. let someone else ponder it.

glad to have impressed with underwhelmed I find I relate better to GPs of a certain age these days, the youngish ones tend to be a bit patronising .

I will see your scone jam and cream and raise it with cooked brekkie at Ikea this morning .

I see your cooked breakfast and raise it a classic dark choc Magnum!

Have been to a mini country park thing with the dcs and gave in to temptation when they all had ice-creams. Am absolutely knackered now, but it was lovely to get out in the fresh air for a while.

Very about your trip to Ikea though. Dh flatly refused to go this weekend because he said it would be too busy, despite the fact that I have to choose and buy the wardrobes that I'm having for my birthday.

Y'all are crap at this diet thing.

I did have a can of coke yesterday in an attempt to ward of a headache, though. Tis the best I can muster. And not even particularly appealing.

I'm irritated today, because my jeans are baggy. Ordinarily I'd be chuffed, but i suspect it's because the elasticatedy denim stuff is failing. That's not a good look, is it? It's baggy in rows ffs. Like a swimming costume goes when the elastane dies.

Speaking of which... I have to lever myself into said swimsuit as tonight I am taking the brownies to the pool. I saved it for our last meeting as I couldn't put it off any longer! So, this time tomorrow brownies will be finished for the year. Yay!

Wish me luck with the costume thang.

You're not wrong madwoman. In my case crap is a huge understatement. It's all these blooming holiday weekends, can't be expected to be good when the rest of the country is feasting on victoria sandwich, cream scones and strawberries with cream.

I reckon your jeans are baggy due to weightloss, especially as you are managing to be a lot more committed than I am, not to mention all the exercise you've been doing - you are probably shrinking without realising it. It could be the elastane - BUT - if you were bigger, you'd still be pulling them taught/tight regardless, ergo, you must be slimmer to see the bagginess.

. You are going above and beyond the call of duty ma'am - may the force be with you.

crap - 1 stone 9 lb off since January [bristles]. Seriously every so often I do have to remind myself that the greasy crap food I crave is greasy crap and doesn't even taste that nice! why oh why does anybody think mushrooms swimming in grease is a good thing /boak.

the swimming costume is a rite of passage. am sure the other swimmers will all be of such mixed sizes/shapes/abilities the last thing they will be doing is eyeing up any wobbly bits.

Oh, I know. I do go to the pool periodically, but don't particularly look forward to it. It's more of a grit your teeth and get in the water thing!

1 stone 9 is awesome. I am by far the crappest weight loser on a weight loss thread ever. but at least I'm levering it off veeeeeeeeeeery sloooooooowly and I'm not putting it back on.

I think this job will be very good for motivation. Everyone else is stick thin. Not only that, it's reasonably active, and I won't be sat on my arse at a computer all of the time. Studying is great, but not good for the thighs.

1 stone 9 is excellent TLP.

I haven't lost anything at all effectively this year, as I put 6lbs on over Christmas with all my MS tests and immobility, lost them again along with a few more pounds and have now put the lot back on. All my own fault though and no point in dwelling on it.

That's my issue too.
I'm effectively back to where I was before Christmas, now. Well - 2lbs lighter. but it has definitely been harder than it was before. I wonder if it is the whole winter hibernation thing? I deffo feel as though I'm moving into a stage where it will be easier - the whole weather and activities thing? Not sure if it's just here though, as there's such a definite change between summer and winter?

we all have bad times in the weight loss journey, I am just being irritatingly perky as this is a relatively good bit. Although I have my old lady aches and pains, I am lucky that they are if anything helped by moderate exercise, whereas I appreciate that you two have more physical difficulties with exercise to contend with at times.

I started off New Year 2010, at 14 st 13, so spookily similar to you!. I absolutely had to lose weight as based on my BP/cholesterol levels etc I was told I had a 30% chance of cardiovascular problems in the next decade. By New Year 2011 was about 12stone 5 (had got down to 11 st 13 but no further before Xmas). Due to stress at work I had ballooned to 13st 13 by New Year 2012. This time round I have found it v hard to lose weight without doing shed loads of exercise, the first time round was much easier. The first time round I was absolutely obsessive with fat gram counting, I am a lot saner this time round . I still get nervous about eating out anywhere without calorie counted menus!

I find the run up to Xmas an absolute killer, not just the stereotypical stuffing yourself for Xmas, but my mood definitely takes a down turn once the clocks turn back!

Moose, 11 stone 4 is pretty good, far healthier than what you started off at. If exercise etc really isn't possible for you at the moment, maybe you need to look at maintaining, and try and get out of the whole yoyo dieting starve/binge cycle, but try and minimise crap.

Mm. SAD and all that.

Righty, gotta go to work - get me!